[Official Event] Op SARTORIAL

[IahimD]

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In return, Liberty has offered specialty modular Avionics and Interior components for Bretonia's own efforts to modernize its fleet, driven by fears of a resurgent Gallia. To source these components, the Liberty Navy has prepared a shortlist of approved defense contractors who are authorized to participate in the project.

Where exactly is this paragraph (or somewhere else I might have missed it) says that these approved defense contractors cannot play the role of fences if they so chose (if they don't want that, they can simply set the buy price at 1$, no)?

[Ashyur]

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In return, Liberty has offered specialty modular Avionics and Interior components for Bretonia's own efforts to modernize its fleet, driven by fears of a resurgent Gallia. To source these components, the Liberty Navy has prepared a shortlist of approved defense contractors who are authorized to participate in the project.

Where exactly is this paragraph (or somewhere else I might have missed it) says that these approved defense contractors cannot play the role of fences if they so chose (if they don't want that, they can simply set the buy price at 1$, no)?

it's game mechanics, if they can't dock on your POB then they can't sell it ?

[Shulsky]

Moved 125 Avionics to Dahlgren
Attempted full sale, was not able to due to space limitations. As such, sold approximately half, for 61 units - received full bonus on 61 - before making singular sales as one normally does to creep to the maximum storage.
Sold 33 in singular sales, with no messages between any, which I expected due to some degree of lag. Did not receive any message for that whole thing.

Would request 561,000 cr reimbursement for that.

Name: B|-BCV-Saggiatore
Time: Now

Sorry for breaking your script. Big sad that the installation can't hold more. Thanks in advance.

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Operation Have Sea

[Lord Caedus]

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In return, Liberty has offered specialty modular Avionics and Interior components for Bretonia's own efforts to modernize its fleet, driven by fears of a resurgent Gallia. To source these components, the Liberty Navy has prepared a shortlist of approved defense contractors who are authorized to participate in the project.

Where exactly is this paragraph (or somewhere else I might have missed it) says that these approved defense contractors cannot play the role of fences if they so chose (if they don't want that, they can simply set the buy price at 1$, no)?

The entire event is designed to only allow approved contractors to supply the parts. If someone wanted their appropriately-IFF'd base to be able to take part in the event, then they merely needed to make a single inRP post about it, which would have been accepted. This is not much to ask, and plenty of people did do exactly that. Not to mention the extremely ooRP manner in which these bases were being supplied with the parts second hand, that being using an ALG Barge to buy parts from Kishiro and Samura POBs and sell them to a DSE POB. I cannot imagine a single scenario where DSE would be buying those parts directly from their two largest competitors, particularly with the brewing war with Kusari that this entire event is about. To expect the event to allow people to supply the approved bases from unapproved bases is, frankly, stupid.

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[IahimD]

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In return, Liberty has offered specialty modular Avionics and Interior components for Bretonia's own efforts to modernize its fleet, driven by fears of a resurgent Gallia. To source these components, the Liberty Navy has prepared a shortlist of approved defense contractors who are authorized to participate in the project.

Where exactly is this paragraph (or somewhere else I might have missed it) says that these approved defense contractors cannot play the role of fences if they so chose (if they don't want that, they can simply set the buy price at 1$, no)?

The entire event is designed to only allow approved contractors to supply the parts. If someone wanted their appropriately-IFF'd base to be able to take part in the event, then they merely needed to make a single inRP post about it, which would have been accepted. This is not much to ask, and plenty of people did do exactly that. Not to mention the extremely ooRP manner in which these bases were being supplied with the parts second hand, that being using an ALG Barge to buy parts from Kishiro and Samura POBs and sell them to a DSE POB. I cannot imagine a single scenario where DSE would be buying those parts directly from their two largest competitors, particularly with the brewing war with Kusari that this entire event is about.

Oh, on the contrary! Liberty would be more than happy to get all the valuables from Kusari. Of anything, KNF would be the ones stopping the export of valuable shipyard components to their adversaries.
And I'm so full of people name-calling what they dont like as "metagaming" and "ooRP". ALG has modular stations in Galileo. They know what's going on and they have access to both houses (at least for now). They are also not exactly the law abiding type (when Barrier tried to make SEO as a fully lawful branch of ALG, he was shutdown). As such, ALG would have both the justification and the inRP inclination of doing deals that would be otherwise rejected by Samura/Kishiro and DSE (as in, they would not directly buy from one another).

"To expect the event to allow people to supply the approved bases from unapproved bases is, frankly, stupid."
What's stupid in your opinion is profitable is someone else's. Adjust your text accordingly, talk to the PoB owners so that they adjust the prices in such a way this is not profitable and problem solved. Instead let's just glance over the fact that this was never a consideration, let's throw loaded words at what's going on and we're right and they are wrong. What can I say? Congrats!

[Shulsky]

Oh, on the contrary! Liberty would be more than happy to get all the valuables from Kusari. Of anything, KNF would be the ones stopping the export of valuable shipyard components to their adversaries.
And I'm so full of people name-calling what they dont like as "metagaming" and "ooRP". ALG has modular stations in Galileo. They know what's going on and they have access to both houses (at least for now). They are also not exactly the law abiding type (when Barrier tried to make SEO as a fully lawful branch of ALG, he was shutdown). As such, ALG would have both the justification and the inRP inclination of doing deals that would be otherwise rejected by Samura/Kishiro and DSE (as in, they would not directly buy from one another).

I would disagree with that stance entirely. Liberty purchasing Avionics from Kusari would be the same as, say, Estonia purchasing encoding equipment from Russia. It would be imminently foolish and self-defeating, especially if that purchase had the goal of strengthening a nation in preparation for an expected attack. There may be an ALG-IFF'ed installation in Galileo, but that installation is markedly not registered as a Defense Contractor for the purposes of this event. ALG may be aware of the event, but I have seen no communications among ALG concerning the contracts present, nor any communications between ALG and the Liberty Navy concerning their supply of Avionics.

DSE being reduced to a repackaging station is quite remarkable, though, I'll give you that.

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Operation Have Sea

[IahimD]

I would disagree with that stance entirely. Liberty purchasing Avionics from Kusari would be the same as, say, Estonia purchasing encoding equipment from Russia. It would be imminently foolish and self-defeating, especially if that purchase had the goal of strengthening a nation in preparation for an expected attack. There may be an ALG-IFF'ed installation in Galileo, but that installation is markedly not registered as a Defense Contractor for the purposes of this event. ALG may be aware of the event, but I have seen no communications among ALG concerning the contracts present, nor any communications between ALG and the Liberty Navy concerning their supply of Avionics.

DSE being reduced to a repackaging station is quite remarkable, though, I'll give you that.

Estonia buying parts from Russia would be self defeating if they would think Russia is actively compromising the parts before sending them. But if country A would purchase the same parts country B actively needs for their own weapons / aviation / whatever, this way country A would strain country B's production as there would be multiple buyers for the same in demand parts.
As for the ALG IFFed PoB not being registered, that's besides the point. My point is that ALG is shady by design, they would absolutely do something like this and also they get to know about the demand from their presence in Galileo.

[Shulsky]

Estonia buying parts from Russia would be self defeating if they would think Russia is actively compromising the parts before sending them. But if country A would purchase the same parts country B actively needs for their own weapons / aviation / whatever, this way country A would strain country B's production as there would be multiple buyers for the same in demand parts.
As for the ALG IFFed PoB not being registered, that's besides the point. My point is that ALG is shady by design, they would absolutely do something like this and also they get to know about the demand from their presence in Galileo.

The compromising is easily evident and able to be assumed. The same can be said here. In this instance, "Country A" - Liberty - isn't straining Kusari's production in any way because of two factors...

* There is no RP centered around that goal / idea
* There is no practicable need for Avionics for Kusari

Also...using barges isn't shady, sneaky, or underhanded.

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EDIT:
By the way @jammi - as a follow up to this, remaining 31 Avionics has now been also deemed 'unregistered' for the purposes of the event. Confirmed this when purchasing 112 Avionics from Arcetri, time 0957 UTC 4/27/2026

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Operation Have Sea

[Lord Caedus]

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In return, Liberty has offered specialty modular Avionics and Interior components for Bretonia's own efforts to modernize its fleet, driven by fears of a resurgent Gallia. To source these components, the Liberty Navy has prepared a shortlist of approved defense contractors who are authorized to participate in the project.

Where exactly is this paragraph (or somewhere else I might have missed it) says that these approved defense contractors cannot play the role of fences if they so chose (if they don't want that, they can simply set the buy price at 1$, no)?

The entire event is designed to only allow approved contractors to supply the parts. If someone wanted their appropriately-IFF'd base to be able to take part in the event, then they merely needed to make a single inRP post about it, which would have been accepted. This is not much to ask, and plenty of people did do exactly that. Not to mention the extremely ooRP manner in which these bases were being supplied with the parts second hand, that being using an ALG Barge to buy parts from Kishiro and Samura POBs and sell them to a DSE POB. I cannot imagine a single scenario where DSE would be buying those parts directly from their two largest competitors, particularly with the brewing war with Kusari that this entire event is about.

Oh, on the contrary! Liberty would be more than happy to get all the valuables from Kusari. Of anything, KNF would be the ones stopping the export of valuable shipyard components to their adversaries.
And I'm so full of people name-calling what they dont like as "metagaming" and "ooRP". ALG has modular stations in Galileo. They know what's going on and they have access to both houses (at least for now). They are also not exactly the law abiding type (when Barrier tried to make SEO as a fully lawful branch of ALG, he was shutdown). As such, ALG would have both the justification and the inRP inclination of doing deals that would be otherwise rejected by Samura/Kishiro and DSE (as in, they would not directly buy from one another).

"To expect the event to allow people to supply the approved bases from unapproved bases is, frankly, stupid."
What's stupid in your opinion is profitable is someone else's. Adjust your text accordingly, talk to the PoB owners so that they adjust the prices in such a way this is not profitable and problem solved. Instead let's just glance over the fact that this was never a consideration, let's throw loaded words at what's going on and we're right and they are wrong. What can I say? Congrats!

This event was entirely designed to work the way it does to avoid having outside suppliers do exactly what you're describing, because we'd seen previous events have this be an issue. Its the entire reason the supplier list was limited in the first place. As the person that owns the ALG POB in Galileo, I can assure you that said base has not been used to repackage any Avionics, and that anyone that's been undocking ALG ships from the base to do so has not been doing any RP regarding it.

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[IahimD]

If both of you would be willing to interact with my points and not just use them to build your own strawmen, that'd be awesome.

* There is no RP centered around that goal / idea

-> What people roleplay is not the total sum of a faction's actions. If your take on the situation is that Kusari is preparing for a war without building it's forces in the background, simply because nobody is Roleplaying said preparations... Well, that's your take.

* There is no practicable need for Avionics for Kusari

-> Linked to the above: the fact that people are not actively roleplaying this does NOT mean that the shipyards in Kusari don't actively need them.

Also...using barges isn't shady, sneaky, or underhanded.

-> Perfect, people can RolePlay around this. Have LSF investigate. Take statements from people present in Galileo and in Colorado. There are plenty of avenues people can take inRP if they'd want to do it.

This event was entirely designed to work the way it does to avoid having outside suppliers do exactly what you're describing, because we'd seen previous events have this be an issue. Its the entire reason the supplier list was limited in the first place.

-> Spell it out in the event description. Talk to PoB owners so that the man-in-the-middle approach simply does not yield any profit. I suggested this multiple times in this thread. I did not violate the supplier list being limited in any way. I just took advantage of the sell/buy prices of existing PoBs. Something that is PLAYER controlled, so interact with PLAYERS if you don't like it, instead of yelling "ooRP", "ooRP".

As the person that owns the ALG POB in Galileo, I can assure you that said base has not been used to repackage any Avionics, and that anyone that's been undocking ALG ships from the base to do so has not been doing any RP regarding it.

-> Can you go back to what I said and say in your words why I brought up the ALG modular station in Galileo? I brought it up as an exemple that ALG knows about what's going on. And then I argued that ALG meets the profile of people that would play the middle men if the profits were right. This is to say, I never stated that the ALG PoB is repackaging Avionics.