the tundra

[Guest]

Abandoning the Lib cruiser is to far, I think The nomad wouldn't -need- to use it for a sheild, either, as, you know, nomads are already pretty durable. At least as durable as human ships.

Look, nomads use energy to upkeep connection to the mindshare, move, regenerate and grow...if they have a reason to conserve this energy (in this case not to armor themselves) why would they not use it?

What I think of what's already done: looks really awesome.

I'd like it to stay at least vaguely a Liberty Cruiser though, not some hodgepodge of whatever that looks "Junkerish".

After your ship shot down so many times and salvaged again and again by spare aprts from venturers which found their death in Iota, do you think you can upkeep a more or less perfect lib cruiser design for so long?





Excuse me if I sound arrogant, but I do know what am I talking about here, I was the founder of the "Nomads infesting ships" idea...

[centauri5pirate]

I would keep the rear section, because that's all Liberty ship and easily identified as so, but make the front all Nomad, so it looks like it's slowly morphing into a full blown Nomad ship.

My .02

*But that design is WAAYY cool!

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[Unseelie]

Look, nomads use energy to upkeep connection to the mindshare, move, regenerate and grow...if they have a reason to conserve this energy (in this case not to armor themselves) why would they not use it?
After your ship shot down so many times and salvaged again and again by spare aprts from venturers which found their death in Iota, do you think you can upkeep a more or less perfect lib cruiser design for so long?
Excuse me if I sound arrogant, but I do know what am I talking about here, I was the founder of the "Nomads infesting ships" idea...

I had had the impression that the ship was surviving, rather than constantly rebuilt.

I think the point I'm trying to make is this: We're ignoring the fact that it gets blown up all the time. Like we ignore lots of other things that completely break the rp.

Also, as far as your arrogance goes....lul. I played with the same idea, in chats with treewyrm, before keepers were founded....Moreover, I'd make the argument that just because you (or me, or probably someone before me, treewyrm perhaps) were the first to have a particular idea, you don't have much to say about Zapp's merely similar idea.

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[Zapp]

*cough* You were? Uh huh.

Anyways, the ship isn't "shot down and rebuilt", as with all capital ships (IMO, as I see it in-RP), they're crippled and pull back to base for repairs. Damage? Sure. Slapping on spare parts of all different kinds of ships? Not really.

And yes, there are infected humans on board.

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[themasterelite]

Wort,

I agree with the others in that the ship currently feels a little too un-nomad. I'm thinking the nomad infestation twisted and morphed the inside of the vessel instead of sprouting numerous extensions.

Personally, I feel that the Liberty Cruiser design should remain, but be twisted into something more nomad-style. In this instance, I thought of the Wilde Scorpion gunboat. It has a really neat forward structure, so I think it might be worth trying to create an extended version of that to be the Tundra's nomadified Forward gun.

Also, you could give it those Torpedo tubes the nommie BS has. I think that would give it the nomad feel it needs, geometry wise...

I think that what will really distinguish the Tundra from other Siege Cruisers will be its texture. It needs a few narrow scars that give a small peek at the nomad bioform inside.

Thoughts?

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Niiiice ship . So Jinx I assume your going to make a pimped / modified Avenger for me aswell. I would like one to be unique.

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[Tenacity]

As far as balancing goes, due to the ship's size there is no way this thing is going to get a battlecruiser powerplant. However, I dont see the harm in keeping the liberty cruiser hardpoints, and adding maybe 2-4 gunboat-class hardpoints to give it better defense against fighters/bombers. I know we almost took out the tundra with several fighters back in 4.84 =P

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[Treewyrm]

Well, few details this model can benefit from. I suggest to make some sort of "base" structures from which the nomad skeleton extensions are coming from, as for example those at front, they seem need the "connector" sort of thing between themselves and ship's non-organic hull. Same goes to other things. It can fixed fairly simply by enlarging the base segments which contact with the hull. One more thing: considering extension's size I'd probably suggest to ignore them in hitbox entirely, otherwise it's way too complicated and the asteroids become the worst enemy to this ship.

On a more technical side of things. Nomad textures can be exported of course, like any other texture, except they're embed directly into 3db/cmp models. Curiously the in-game transparency effect, environment mapping and such are hardcoded and triggered by having keyword "Nomad" at the beginning of the material name followed by space and then any other text. Nomad ships aren't in autodesk any format actually, they're 3DB (3D Binary) files, a proprietary model format for Freelancer used for simple 3D objects that do not contain components. CMP (short from "composite mesh" or "component mesh") files which most of you use are actually nothing but composite structures with several 3db blocks in them for each ship component (if there are any). They can be imported back into ms3d like any cmp using cmp importers, and from there on to any other modeling package.

[Jinx]

k - so to sum it up

- a little more logic on the nomad parts ( also the non visible ones ) - as if there is a spine running through the ship - so the extensions are actually coming out of breaches instead of being "glued" to the outer hull - thats not hard... i can "cut" holes in it and skin them with dark interior stuff

- a light skin over the skeleton

and the front section....

i "might" modify it to a scorpion like design ( roundish, more spike/tentacle like ) - but i think it would loose its liberty cruiser aspect much then - anyway - worth a try.


* oh - and i will only start the tedious work on texturing it when zapp gets the definite "ok" from igiss. - texturing isn t fun enough to make it for nothing at all. - so - when zapp can convince igiss that his RP requires a unique cruiser over a standard cruiser ... its all fine. - and we can yell at each other over the stats afterwards.

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[Zapp]

The Tundra has and always will be anti-capital. I don't wanna go the road of the Necrosis by mounting a bunch of GB missile turrets (which are turrets I'm morally opposed to on the grounds that I've had them spammed at me so much).

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