I'd actually prefer if they had their own shipline. But no, Xenos look better in the eagles and rocs, but i do understand, however, why would they want something else.
Civvy shipline is just very balanced and cheap, heck, even one of my LR-s is a Roc because the barghest is simply just a bit too heavy.
' Wrote:Well, I was just wondering if Xeno's could have "Generic" Pirate ships like the Werewolf, Greyhound, Barghest, ect. I know they can have all the civillian ships, but I was unsure about the pirate ships, didnt want to just go out and buy it and then get berated or sacntioned :rtfm:
No, those are Liberty Rogue/Molly ships. Especially no on the Barghest, that's restricted to Liberty Rogues and Mollys only.
Quote:Civvy shipline is just very balanced and cheap
IMO the Eagle and Roc need a nerf... they shouldn't be better that much better than faction ships.
1) Elsdragon, I explain where Xeno guns come from in the XA message dump. It's one of the fiction posts I made whilst bored and inactive.
2) Lulz at nerfing the Eagle/Roc.
3) The list Elsdragon postedis pretty much on the spot, or so I should hope as I drafted it. To it I would add the mining ship, firefly and bactrain. The former can be picked up on Refugio station in Tau-45, the latter two on Barrier Gate in Coronado.
Sadly the Xenos were utterly shafted in regards to selling commodities on our bases, the only ones of any worth at all to us are now H-fuel and black market munitions so there is virtually zero incentive to haul commercial goods back home to support the 'ol war effort, but if you are a madman you can make a decent credit running Xeno smuggling routes between Zoner bases. It's more for fun than anything else.
The Marauder is the only shifty vessel on the list... It is currently only sold in Omega 50 which is -somewhat- out of our ZOI. So don't get caught and if anyone asks you got it in 84.
*coughs*
Technically the RC is good to go as well... But I try to pretend it isn't as something about Xenos in it bothers me.
Every other ship on that list can be purchased on a Xeno friendly or neutral base. The Basalt light fighter sold on Beth station in Penn is also a delightful Xeno starting ship. When I made a Xeno from scratch I employed that vessel to good effect.
4) Xenos do not fly Rogue vessels. Doom/Prospector being the only exception. If you "steal" one and bring it back to a Xeno base we're going to gut it, staple it to the side of Ouray and turn it into a bar.
5) Xenos getting their own ships: Nah. The zeeners are a small group that does perfectly well with what they can scrape together. Who the hell has the time and money to invest in building custom ships to equip small bands of guerrilla fighters?
' Wrote:So you want to nerf the entire XA, xeno players, and anyone else forced to use civilian ships because they dont have their own line?
All ships should be balanced equally within a small margin, I think most are right now.
They can be balanced, sure. But they're civilian ships, that doesn't warrant them being better than most faction ships. They're pretty much a free for all, and I wouldn't be surprised if one day soon we started seeing more Eagles and Rocs than any other ship on the server...
Nothing personal against the Xenos or anyone else who has no other options. But tell me, why does it make sense for civilian technology to be superior to military technology?
You can't seriously tell me all those people who fly Eagles/Rocs when their faction has it's own shipline have any reason to do so other than it 'pew pews' better. Hell, Sindy has a Roc on his LR for that reason. He has like, 8 Rocs or something because they're so damn OP.
' Wrote:You can't seriously tell me all those people who fly Eagles/Rocs when their faction has it's own shipline have any reason to do so other than it 'pew pews' better. Hell, Sindy has a Roc on his LR for that reason. He has like, 8 Rocs or something because they're so damn OP.
He has a Roc because the alternative is a Barghest. The Barghest fits its role, the Roc fits another. Same reason I maintain a Waran and a Roc.
There is a lot of hand waving and gesturing coming off of your off topic rant, on top of some very personal finger pointing that I am more than happy to exploit in order to undermine your argument. Your entire argument, frankly, reeks of hand wringing sandwich board doomspeak.
Which I do not like. So here I come to spit and curse.
1) Who the duce are these "all those" people you're referring to? If you're going to supply us with an argument as to why you feel that the vessel is unsatisfactory in its current form I'd like to have a greater example of this plague which is sweeping Discovery. Last time I looked out the window the blight was in the form of Tridents and Falcattas.
2) How is the Eagle/Roc "superior" to other ships? The Roc is rutting enormous and does not respond well to being shot while the Eagle makes up for its deft handling by being a huge flimsy thing with a plant so weak that you can't fire the guns and keep a reading light on at the same time.
3) The reason you do not see everyone and their mum flying them is because they are not the end all be all best. There are tons of extremely strong alternatives to those ships
4) There is no such thing as a "civilian" ship in Discovery. 80% of the ships in this mod are balanced with various pros and cons which enable their pilot to take them into a fight with the best possible chance of coming out on top based upon pilot skill rather than ship stats. The Eagle and Roc may have the word "civilian" stamped on them, but yes, they are going to go toe to toe with a Guardian and the better pilot is going to come out on top. Because this is a spaceship videogame.
I like my Freelancer Roc...my merc Roc...my other merc roc, my LR roc, my infested roc, my Xeno roc, my specter roc, my other LR- roc and my junker roc and my zoner roc too >.>
' Wrote:But...but...I like my rocs....
I like my Freelancer Roc...my merc Roc...my other merc roc, my LR roc, my infested roc, my Xeno roc, my specter roc, my other LR- roc and my junker roc and my zoner roc too >.>
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