' Wrote:Excuse me but I am having a hard time find this as original work.
I see much here that looks like the information belonging to the Harvester Faction, starting with your begining history material and ending with a some what modified ship listing.
I can see that some have already seriously questioned your right to even use certain ships and I can not disagree with them in that. Even if you were the most advanced AI out there does not make you the most advanced Machines, which honeslty in my opinion, I do not see this as original or new.
I do not know why Harvester members have not spoken up yet, but I can bet good money that as soon as they do notice, they will have less than pleasent comments for your attempt to take their hard work and call it your own.
The way I look at it, I do not think this should be alowed at all.
Thank you for your concerns, I have already tried to explain things with Geisha and others have essentially chimed in onto whats basicly happened as well , so I'm not gonna repeat whats been stated in detail.
This posting as stated was meant to be here to deal with the issues surrouding the Formation of this Faction, what we are , whom we are and a basic outline of what we are attempting to do. All issue's ariseing and being mentioned are taken into consideration and are dealt with as promptly as possible.
This faction is based not on an orginal idea of our own , nor has it been stated as such, but of one already established with modifications. It is truely an Role playing extension to actual events, involveing former members of the Harvesters and some new seeking to take the original work to a different level of RP serverside.
If you would like further details as to why this and not start something entirely new, please feel free to PM me and I'll add a few more things into the fray, which simply dont need to be "Aired". Though honestly seeing your also a GC member as well as Geisha, you may know some of these details already or can aquire them from her.
The SMA has determined that it is in our best interests to remove as many of the initial references to the Harvesters as possible. It will not be possible to remove all of them, as we fly some of the same ships, and as we come from some of the same part of the galaxy. However, we have been working on a new background history and that will be posted shortly.
Okay folks, its been rewritten and somewhat updated to where we stand now. Constructive critisim is welcome. Flames or comments you think might be viewed as a flame can be sent to me via PM. I will respond to all PM's with-in 24 hours.
' Wrote:Thank you for your concerns, I have already tried to explain things with Geisha and others have essentially chimed in onto whats basicly happened as well , so I'm not gonna repeat whats been stated in detail.
This posting as stated was meant to be here to deal with the issues surrouding the Formation of this Faction, what we are , whom we are and a basic outline of what we are attempting to do. All issue's ariseing and being mentioned are taken into consideration and are dealt with as promptly as possible.
This faction is based not on an orginal idea of our own , nor has it been stated as such, but of one already established with modifications. It is truely an Role playing extension to actual events, involveing former members of the Harvesters and some new seeking to take the original work to a different level of RP serverside.
If you would like further details as to why this and not start something entirely new, please feel free to PM me and I'll add a few more things into the fray, which simply dont need to be "Aired". Though honestly seeing your also a GC member as well as Geisha, you may know some of these details already or can aquire them from her.
Thanks again for your concerns,
APEX
I have to wonder something, I see you comment on something some one else said, yet that players post is no longer here.
I have to wonder where and what gave you the right to simply remove a message that was posted and then claim you welcome comments, ect ect?
So, you have removed references from what you have now, but it seems to me that there was a machine Alliance that was run before that did include the Harvesters, so where did you get this idea from to begin with if not them?
Also, looking at your faction standing list, your really selective about whom your hostile with, yet practically any other new faction has far more that they are hostile or unfriendly towards. Looks to me like this is a quasi-rebuild/attempt at yet another Junker or Zoner Faction.
Being that machines like yours are commonly viewed in a negitive light by a great many, I do not see how you justify not having more hostiles against you.
If you are not Junkers or Zoners, I really think you need to adjust your standings or simply drop the idea completely.
' Wrote:I have to wonder something, I see you comment on something some one else said, yet that players post is no longer here.
I have to wonder where and what gave you the right to simply remove a message that was posted and then claim you welcome comments, ect ect?
So, you have removed references from what you have now, but it seems to me that there was a machine Alliance that was run before that did include the Harvesters, so where did you get this idea from to begin with if not them?
Also, looking at your faction standing list, your really selective about whom your hostile with, yet practically any other new faction has far more that they are hostile or unfriendly towards. Looks to me like this is a quasi-rebuild/attempt at yet another Junker or Zoner Faction.
Being that machines like yours are commonly viewed in a negitive light by a great many, I do not see how you justify not having more hostiles against you.
If you are not Junkers or Zoners, I really think you need to adjust your standings or simply drop the idea completely.
Yes this post was locked at one time because it got off topic, many of those where deleted , maybe some others should have been as well. Thats not in my power to do.
The whole hostile and not is already explained in detail, also with a side note for faction leaders already knowing their stance , to PM me if they feel there needs to be changes.
Machines viewed in a negative light? Sorry havent seen that as much as certian machines haveing made a bad name for themselves and thusly being viewed negatively.
The original storyline ran off of the Harvesters lore, whom protested it, although theres more to the story thats all thats important. The story was changed and thusly reposted.
As far as a Junkers / Zoners spin off, being a somewhat nomadic machine alliance, I'd say your probably right in the appearence of it being like that, as there is no other established faction it can or would be compared to. Its idenity and history set it apart, whether its working protocals have the appearence of those stated factions. Minus history, cultural tie-ins and seperate ZOI's, many factions in Freelancer would appear to be the same as another.
Hope that answers what you where stateing, I'm a tad rushed here this morning. Thanks for takeing the time to view the listing and to make your observations.
' Wrote:I have to wonder something, I see you comment on something some one else said, yet that players post is no longer here.
I have to wonder where and what gave you the right to simply remove a message that was posted and then claim you welcome comments, ect ect?
So, you have removed references from what you have now, but it seems to me that there was a machine Alliance that was run before that did include the Harvesters, so where did you get this idea from to begin with if not them?
Also, looking at your faction standing list, your really selective about whom your hostile with, yet practically any other new faction has far more that they are hostile or unfriendly towards. Looks to me like this is a quasi-rebuild/attempt at yet another Junker or Zoner Faction.
Being that machines like yours are commonly viewed in a negitive light by a great many, I do not see how you justify not having more hostiles against you.
If you are not Junkers or Zoners, I really think you need to adjust your standings or simply drop the idea completely.
We are intelligent machines, quite capable of studying databases and dealing with futile programming issues such as those created by incapable human bio-units.
Of course, as someone who used to be a Harvester, that is only to be expected, is it not?
Once the SMA decided to change the creation and evolution story, then it was no longer necessary to keep this topic closed. And since certain of those topics were thusly redundant, then it was determined that seeing them was only keeping open wounds that were best closed. So while the bio-unit known as Apex was incapable of doing anything about that, certain other ethereal beings ARE capable of doing that - and did so.
While we are not Junkers or Zoners per se, we are what we are - machines that are seeking to evolve and to interact with the bio-units of Sirius. We are not hostile if we do not have to be - that is the beauty of being what is effectively a new faction now.
Certainly we are not the remorseless killers right off the bat such as Harvester 24 was, are we? While we do not have issues at all with bio-units that legitimately request information or are willing to provide appropriate feedback, those units that are obviously not doing so are not welcome. That would be no different from a former member of the OPG posting negative comments about the Black Sails or the HAF.
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