Sirius Supreme Court =creation=

[bluntpencil2001]

And how would that be differet from the UN?:wacko:

Good point... but there's the difference that every member would be on the security council by the looks of things.

It would turn into an OOC ****storm in short order.

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[Othman]

I see no need for such a thing. If done, would probably take years for the sides to reconcile with even the smallest issue they have which would also be prone to different kinds of interference by court members and etc..Would make things more complex and harder..

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[Zapp]

Yeah, and if you find someone guilty, or ruled unfavorably to someone, they'd be all like "F*** off man, I don't have to listen to you." No real power, if you ask me.

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[Heartless]

It sounds interesting, but I doubt you could get all major (and minor) houses to agree on a common court. I can see each house having their own way of doing things, but a global court would just turn into global war.

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[aaron]

There a huge number of problems here;

A. While there is a degree of inter house cooperation, it has massively declined since the SP Campaign's era.

B.Criminal and lawful factions will be very unlikely to recognize the same authority.

C.Outcast and Corsairs will be EXTREMELY unlikely to recognize the same authority.

D.The Coalition will not recognize a Sirius authority

E.The Miralukans will not recognize a Sirius authority.

F.The C'tan and the Phantoms will not recognize a Sirius authority.

G.The Dom Kavash and the Nomads will not recognize a human authority.

H.There is no truly neutral faction in Sirius within roleplay. The Zoners are threatened by Nomads and Corsair threats, and they are the closest thing to it.

I agree, lets put it this way... I'm a Junker and I'm not showing up to any silly online court deal really.

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[Jihadjoe]

I agree, lets put it this way... I'm a Junker and I'm not showing up to any silly online court deal really.

agreed. I play a lot of outcast chars and none of them would give a flying f**k about some damn court. I mean its a nice idea for the Lawfulls (when they get on with each other) but frankly there are only 4 houses and thats not enough for any kind of democratic justice, which is after all what you're talking about.

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DEATH TO THE COURTS
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[P*Funk]

Are you guys all deluded? Are we all convinced that RP has to be about archetypes and perfect little things with bows on top that make sense?

Frankly I think that RP between groups is a bit stale. You apparently need to orchestrate a major PvP event to get two groups actually interacting in more than a random way. Why does it have to be OOC? I thought we had great RPers here. Why does it have to function as a perfect body of unanimous justice? Why do ALL the factions have to be there?

Can't you guys have any imagination? Or is everyone just too much of an RP fascist to be able to compromise on an idea like this to make it work?

Just look at Mal's council of Zoners. It isn't a perfect body but it is a bit of fun too. Lots of chit chat and disagreement.

And everyone seems to think that unlawfuls are all ignorant of politics. Apparently no outcast would ever concern himself with the goings on of the house politics. Well Outcasts are smugglers who make their money and way by getting the house population hooked. They support terrorists against the houses (Molly's? GC?) and every big drug dealer has lawyers and a desire to manipulate the system.

Honestly, its so boring for every unlawful to be some homicidal priate bent on making traders pay a toll. And the houses, well they're all run by smart RPers that love to tell people what to do so I'm sure they could cook up some good arguments about their points of view. There are already tensions between Rheinland and Liberty and Kusari and Bretonia are at war. Theres so much room for this thing.

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[Jinx]

first of all, the idea of a supreme court is a good idea. ( just like the international supreme court in Den Haag ) - and it can fail with just the reasons the Den Haag court fails. - that is, there are parties/factions that simply do not participate. some of them are minor powers - but some are major ones like the USA. if one faction does not participate - the whole aparatus of legislation turns into a true comedy - cause there might be some to decide, but none to follow the decission.

when its about sirius - the whole sector is a simplified model of waaay too different factions. it is an achievement that not every faction is at open war with its neighbours. law enforcement is worse than medieval. ( well, now we have at least a prison - but players cannot send a player to prison for roleplay violation ) there are multiple violations to the law - and only one punishment, which is death.

the question is - what can a court decide. national politics? - those are made by the various factions allready.
settling hostilities - thats a tough one, cause hostilities are coded.
starting hostilities/wars - see above, a court cannot make NPCs to start a war and alter faction relationships.

why does it work for the zoners ( to a certain extend ) - cause the zoners are one faction - and especially one faction without really pressing matters. the zoners have no issues to alter the face of sirius - decissions are rather on a small scale level.
if rheinland and liberty sat together, it might end up in a war - but that cannot be reflected by a pure player decission but must be done by igiss. even enforcing the nomad ban by the [SF] in bretonia is problematic. most players don t know about it - and no one really cares. - and that is only a very small political decission.

furthermore, decissions with such different factions presented in freelancer take long, sometimes too long to keep the original intention in mind. - as a matter of fact, pretty much all issues are solved allready in a court ( forum ) ... doing that in a roleplay way would be nice, but won t add up to the ingame-depth, i think.

a way to do it is .... ( and only if EVERY faction has a representative there )

form up a court - aswell as forming up a faction that must be : active in numbers and capable of dealing with a whole nation in case there is a violation. so if there is a decission against - lets say liberty... and liberty announces that they will not follow the decission, the supreme law enforcement must have the power to enforce it - hard to do, cause it requires a faction that is stronger than any other ( doesn t necessarily mean to be stronger in firepower, but can also mean by discussion )
anyway - a lot of work for something we allready have.

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[P*Funk]

the question is - what can a court decide. national politics? - those are made by the various factions allready.
settling hostilities - thats a tough one, cause hostilities are coded.
starting hostilities/wars - see above, a court cannot make NPCs to start a war and alter faction relationships.

What I would like is a UN type of body, doesn't have to be exactly the same cause some people hate the UN so much they'd bury this idea out of prejudice. Make it like any p[arliament, with voting members and then you can vote to form committees and also to form courts to hear cases. Draft, argue, and vote on treaties. Wouldn't have to be an all binding thing. But instead make it an RP forum where you can bandy ideas about without feeling that we need to figure out another innovative RP event just so that we can post the RP thread.

If anything it oculd just be a simple place to make RP chat thats serious in nature but doesnt have a reason otherwise to exist. It could create bodies of justice or regulation that parties involved would agree to be a part of.

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