Russian Dog Experiment

[Blodo]

It is true. Though science in general doesn't really attempt to make the knowledge of this particular thing very mainstream due to ethical issues and more commonly the widespread fear and terror this sort of thing strikes into most people. There are many medical "experiments" and former practices like this that while scary were completely necessary to further advancing medical knowledge. Take Rosemary Kennedy's lobotomy for example. The way it is described on wikipedia, it's hard not to draw parallels with that scene from the Silence of the Lambs where Lecter dissects a living person's brain.

Note: The argument that wikipedia is editable by anybody ignores the fact that there are sources for this information given on every page. I would say archive.org is quite a legit site: http://www.archive.org/details/Experime1940

[dodike]

From the video I can't tell if the head is severed or the rest of the dog's body is just well hidden.

[The.Wizard]

Russian science has different approach on many things then western science and this documentary is not the only one...there are many of them,especially new ones...
Like this one...
BTW,Wikipedia is not relevant source of information cause anyone can post there without any background in facts,Wikipedia is not encyclopedia...

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[Torch Rose]

Russian science has different approach on many things then western science and this documentary is not the only one...there are many of them,especially new ones...
Like this one...
BTW,Wikipedia is not relevant source of information cause anyone can post there without any background in facts,Wikipedia is not encyclopedia...

But as my chemistry teacher says, only an idiot with no life and nothing better to do would mess with a science page on Wikipedia then get excited over the resulting mistakes people would make, but a smart person who is actually there for the information could just fix the mistakes.



But I do hope this is fake. I can only imagine what that dog would be thinking if it was real.

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[Backo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Experime1940.ogv

The full video, I believe. Also interesting thing is if the brain really did survive undamaged after 10 minutes of clinical death.

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[Jongleur]

Russian science has different approach on many things then western science and this documentary is not the only one...there are many of them,especially new ones...
Like this one...
BTW,Wikipedia is not relevant source of information cause anyone can post there without any background in facts,Wikipedia is not encyclopedia...

Thankfully Wiki has that history button so we can see past revisions and when they were made. Not entirely confirming the information but at least you can see when there's been some "arguing" back and forth.

Edit: to be on topic, I appreciate the merit of this experiment, but then I look at my dog and it makes me :(

[Jihadjoe]

Now, it's a little more interesting to think about why this video might have been broadcast in the first place. I've little doubt that while russian scientists were working on ideas such as this, the equipment required to make it actually work probably wasn't available. But this was the hieght of the cold war. Russia and America trying to constantly scientifically one-up each other.

"Hey look everyone in the west. We can cut something's head off and keep it alive. Give us a few years and we'll be freakin' immortal!"

"YEAH?!?!! Well... WE CAN GO TO THE MOON! BEAT THAT!"

While the cold war did bring some astonishing scientific advances, and scientists in both parts of the world furthering human undersstanding of the universe enourmously, there was also a lot of total crap broadcast to the other nation in order to scare them. I get the impression that nobody actually cut off a dog's head and kept it alive through the magic of science.

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[Jansen]

Now, it's a little more interesting to think about why this video might have been broadcast in the first place. I've little doubt that while russian scientists were working on ideas such as this, the equipment required to make it actually work probably wasn't available. But this was the hieght of the cold war. Russia and America trying to constantly scientifically one-up each other.

If the information is correct its from 1940, the cold war was if anything in its beginnings as both of them had other problems at this time.

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[SA_Scavenger]

While this video might be fake, I do know they have attached severed dog's heads to other dogs and seen both of the dogs survive.

Still rather cruel though. Oh wait, that was the X-files right? My bad!

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[Markus_Janus]

With the monkey head transplant, they were able to keep the patient alive fo about half a month I think.
The blood vessel were easy enough to attach although of course the monkey was paralised from the neck down.
Being this as it was, the monkey was able to respond to very similar stimulii as shown on that video , including licking it's lips and apparently even biting people.

I am always caught by things like this.
Is it cruel, very much so.
Is it nessesary, hmm good question.

I know for instance that medical science was advanced through terrible means all throughout history.
Are you glad they did that?
Should we take the knowledge gleaned from these terrible experiments or take the moral high ground and stay behind with medical science.

A good example is the experiments conducted during world war two on live, conscious patients.
Experiments that made modern medicine what it is today.

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.