An idea for a liberty heavy class BS

[CzeReptile]

Bretonia needs a heavy BS, or something that can compete with the KuDess.

Try triple missiles on BS:)

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[Torch Rose]

Liberty has too many ships as it is, and a few of them are horrid. Fix the engine before getting the car new rims.

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[FallenKnight]

The only thing that needs to be done is the current model of the Carrier to be replaced with proper liberty dreadnaught like model. Then if its well balanced and hitboxed it will serve as the "heavy bs" you are talking about. (check the stats comparison between carrier and RM bs)
There is no need to create new ship since liberty have every possible ship class. You have the carrier which is broken, similar to the current not usefull "Paladin" fighter. Once such ships receive good models that will change their appearence and hitbox they will change entirerly.

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[Manny Calavera]

The only thing that needs to be done is the current model of the Carrier to be replaced with proper liberty dreadnaught like model. Then if its well balanced and hitboxed it will serve as the "heavy bs" you are talking about. (check the stats comparison between carrier and RM bs)
There is no need to create new ship since liberty have every possible ship class. You have the carrier which is broken, similar to the current not usefull "Paladin" fighter. Once such ships receive good models that will change their appearence and hitbox they will change entirerly.

so why dont they remodel the carrier?

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[Knjaz]

Erm, how bout giving Rheinland a light bs (as good as liberty one)/BC then?

Since these 2 classes have their own advantages. Especially, BCs, all of which will have a thruster in 4.86 (afaik)

And Liberty battleship is damn good one. Like, one of the best on server, along with osiris.
Just make sure your teammates CD those turtles. (although with new cruise drain Im not sure if it's needed at all)

[BalckWidow]

You don't need a heavy battleship to take on a turtle, just use cruisers and pulse and mortar the sitting ducks at range, simple job done.

[Syrus]

Liberty has:
a light cruiser,
a battlecruiser, which will easily outgun and outlast every RM cruiser once they have their thruster and new
sleek skin
a medium battleship, which is maneuverable like a light bs
and a carrier, which looks ugly.

Rheinland has:
a heavy cruiser,
a heavy battleship.
And will get (afaik) a BC-class carrier?

The light Liberty cruiser is not meant as a closecombat ship. It's meant for bombarding the heavier ships
from range. All Rheinland ships should be easy targets for a mortaring LSC, while the LSC even can easily
target Rheinland battleships with its front cannon. As long as you don't go into close combat you will always
have your way superior agility on your side and can outmaneuver all enemy ships and avoid all shots fired
at you. This ship is meant for using this tactic, all else will fail, as the Rheinland Cruiser can simply outgun
you and tear you apart in no time if you give it the chance to.

The Liberty Assault Battlecruiser sucks at the moment due to the lack of a thruster. But with the new
version it will get one. Then it will be able to do what the LSC is not able to: go into close combat with the
Rheinland Cruiser - which IS still the heaviest cruiser in game - and destroy it, probably with ease. It is
superior in every stat and has two BS turrets against the Rheinland Cruiser and I fear that this will be an
unmatched enemy for the Rheinland side. From what I saw the new model will also be very thin, just like
the Liberty dreadnought about which I will talk later. So, I fear, if this ship isn't balanced right by low agility
(like all other BCs) and a slower thruster it will tip the sides clearly towards Liberty in the cruiser battles.


That said, let's take a look at that Rheinland Cruiser. It's heavy. The heaviest cruiser there is. Well armed,
good turret placement. But it lacks a bit of agility. Not so much that it would hurt though. In my opinion this
is the perfect cruiser. From the front, behind, below and above it isn't very wide, though it has a very big
"belly", making it easy to hit from the sides. Thruster, good power core, best armor...it got it all. But, I think
as long as you use the low agility to your advantage and get the LSC to work it's magic with being very thin
and very fast, you can beat it. Maybe not easily, but it should not be the biggest problem.
Now, the LABC doesn't need to rely on agility to beat a Rheinland Cruiser. But the Rheinland Cruiser's low
agility shows here. That means, it will get into serious balancment problems once the LABC got the thruster.
At the moment that's the point where the LABC is beat by the Rheinland Cruiser. Because in size there isn't
much difference between the two, I'd even say, from what I saw, the new LABC is even smaller or thinner,
harder to hit.

Alright. But there will be a counterpart to the LABC? I don't know if it really will be implemented, but I saw a
Rheinland Carrier. I guess it will be a battlecruiser, but I'm not sure. This ship looked like a heavy BC.
Almost heavier than the light battleships. Where this ship will fit in, I can't say yet. Regarding to balance it
would need to counter the LABC, but regarding to RP it's a carrier...So...I have no idea.

Now, battleships. Liberty has the most awesome battleship out there, just after the Osiris. That's my
opinion. All it lacks are some more turrets, to allow for a more interesting setup, but even without those it
can be fitted so that it uses all it's energy very effectivly. It has a medium power core, high agility and good
armor for it's size. Strafe and don't be hit. That's what you will be doing and that's what the ship is best at:
Evading to be hit. It isn't a ship to go in and destroy it's enemy in close combat, it needs tactic. It needs
kiting, it needs to use the very good agility. It might not be as good as the Osiris in this regards, but against
a Rheinland Battleship the agility is far superior. Your enemy is the easy to hit giant turtle, use your
advantages of being much slimmer and faster and your enemy will die.

The Rheinland Battleship. Big, bulky, a giant space Lego brick. A monster. Powerfull, exremly well armored,
massive power core, weapons all over it. But...Bigger than some moons out there. And almost as easy to
hit. Because of it's low agility it has to rely on going in as close as possible, smashing the enemy by running
in the enemy lines and causing chaos. It's size makes it hard to get through asteroid fields, makes it easy to
get hit...If it can get near a Liberty Dreadnought it will unleash it's power and will destroy the enemy with
ease. But get two of those agile LSCs, maybe three (depending on skill), and this ship's captain will be
running back to his mama, crying like a baby (or rather floating in a pod). You can't miss it.

Now to the ship you refer to...
The Liberty "Heavy Class Battleship"...The Liberty Assault Carrier is that ship. Yeah, it's a "Carrier", but as
no such thing exists in Freelancer, it is the heavy BS of Liberty.
This ship is ... useless in the Liberty - Rheinland war. What you want would be a ship even heavier than the
Rheinland Battleship I guess...well, not gonna happen. You really wouldn't want it anyway, trust me. But
let's take a look at the LACk of usefullness. The LAC would do alright if Liberty was fighting against other
houses which didn't have a heavy battleship like Rheinland has. It still wouldn't be a great ship, but it
wouldn't be totally outpowered. This ship is huge. That's it's problem. Just like the Rheinland Battleship it is
huge and lacks agility, therefor has a good powercore, lots of armor and guns. But its enemy just has more
armor and more guns. And unlike the Dreadnought, this ship can't just avoid being hit. It also can't do, what
a heavy BS normally does - go in as close as possible to tank the damage and smash the enemy with
superior firecapability while outlasting him. This is, what makes this ship useless. And it looks ugly. I've
seen some alright and some good models for the ship, I don't know if it will be changed? From what I saw,
they all look like the being long tubular shapes like the Liberty Dread. But keep in mind, no matter if it gets
that much thinner new skin, it will still lack the agility of your Dreadnought while still not being as powerfull
as a Rheinland Battleship. I doubt it will stand up to the Battleship, if it isn't overpowered due to a "too small
size with a the new skin". I really hope the balancing will be done well here, because where Liberty has
many ships to chose from, all of Rheinlands ships are just HEAVY and screaming HEAVY all over them.

Liberty does not need a battleship which can outlast Rheinlands Battleship, Liberty relies on more agile and
smaller, thinner ships for all capsize classes. With a little tactic they should all be able to beat their
counterparts. But yes, I fear the LABC and LAC changes a bit and hope they will be done alright and with
keeping balance in sight.
Because a the moment Rheinland can only rely on having much heavier ships than its enemy and I feel like
it is balanced alright, what tips the balance were the players, the battles I saw always had more Rheinland
ships spawning and jumping into battle after a while. Most awesome battle I saw in a while was a bunch of
Rheinland cruiser slaughtering LN Dreads from behind as they were not paying attention and firing at the
tanking Turtles in front of them. RM might have lost those BS then, but the cruisers still defeated the enemy.

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[Silmathien]

Why not make one good offensive and bad defense, or modify the speed? Or make one a bit smaller and more agile?


Btw: I loled.
Who needs fighters when you have caps.

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[Knjaz]

Why not make one good offensive and bad defense, or modify the speed? Or make one a bit smaller and more agile?
Btw: I loled.
Who needs fighters when you have caps.

A good reason why Liberty doesn't need a heavier ship. And it's even worse now, with the nerfed cruise drain.
Just look at how these dreads evade fire. If Liberty would have more coordination in that fight, and wouldn't allow rheinland bricks to go on cruise, Rheinland battleships would have no chance at all.
And, imo, that kind of thing affects the Freelancer (including most other mods) in general: "Best" Size&agility (LiDread, Osiris, Kusari snubcraft, etc) > "Best" armor&firepower when used right, especially in a team fight, where bigger targets tend to die first, regardless of their armour.

[Not Espi]

i would like a LF with a c10 shield and titan core. i wonder if anyone will make one...