' Wrote:Yeah, but if Belfast is returned, where is the Rogue GB sold? I'd like to see it sold on San Quentin (Rogue guard) or maybe some other Rogue base.
They could sell it on Graves, since that would be Molly now.
In that case, I don't see why this couldn't be a nice addition...perhaps it could attract some attention to that area of Sirius and open up some trade possibilities there.
My only concern is that it may require more work than desired for Igiss...is there anyone willing to donate their time to this to help out?
also if this did go ahead the new molly system could be put under attack from the Gains (think i spelled it wrong) which could also get the Mollys and Bretonian fighting another enemy that is a naturall enemy to Bretonia and is also under-used which could get people to join them
Quote:I presume this means that, should a cease fire be called, you would be shucking your ties with the Outcasts?
Just out of curiosity.
Not necessarily. The Bretonians and Outcasts have an 'understanding', to say the least. If you fly around Trafalgar, you'll see the BAF not attacking the NPC OCs, except when they demand they drop their pilot (a bug that should be fixed, I'm tired of Piranhas demanding Cruisers to drop their commanders). Their mutual enemies, Kusari and the Corsairs, have brought them together (read the story for the Fantasia, you'll see we had a deal with the Bretonians that we kill Corsairs, and get an old decommissioned battleship in return).
At the current time, this is the only option I can see that will cause Igiss the least amount of trouble. If the Mollys were to become a full independent nation, it would probably be a shock to several factions, which means that Igiss would need to change up the Molly faction entirely.
This is my proposal: Begin talks with Bretonia, if we accept, we will turn Dublin into a temporary protectorate. This means that it will be governed by the UoG, but jointly policed and defended by the QCRF or the BPA. Essentially, the UoG would police Dublin as lawfuls, while the BPA/QCRF would stand in the background until something happens that is not good.
In many ways, this structure of Dublin would resemble that of Puerto Rico today.
Unfortunately, this is as close to independence that I see it for now. Perhaps, we will have a better chance at freeing Dublin the the future, but for now, no.
I can see the logic behind this, however. The Mollys would be freed up to attack the Corsairs, while the Brets can focus all efforts on taking back Tau-31 and driving out the Kusari. This is a political and militaristic bonus for both nations, despite the fact that the Brets would lose their hold on the lucrative gold mining in Dublin. What this will do to the Bret economy is unknown... If the economic losses outweigh the other benefits, I can't see the Brets giving up Dublin.
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The BAF high command (which basically consists of Unseelie, Elgato, Monk, and myself - and Blunt up until quite recently) has discussed this before, and we all love the idea in some form. The way I see it, there are a few different options, each with pros and cons.
1. Cease-fire only. BMM would have to leave, of course, because I simply cannot see the Mollies ever tolerating their presence in a Dublin they have any sort of control over. Pros: frees up both of their militaries for dealing with external threats. Cons: still leaves the Mollies as pirates, and Dublin as a part of Bretonia.
2. Protectorate. My vision of it may be slightly different than Elgato's. As with #1, BMM is kicked out. BAF NPC patrols are stepped down both in strength and frequency. BHG patrols are stepped up, I'd imagine, and Corsairs as well. Gaian NPC patrols might start appearing, as the Mollies fully take over BMM mining operations in the area. A new BMM mining facility might appear in the Omegas, as a few rumors have indicated that Bretonia has been eyeing them. (note: some of these things could happen with #1, too) Pros: same as #1, plus some. Also adds significantly to the political/economic dynamics of the region, and gives Gaians cause to be more active. Heck, a new group of Gaians might even be formed from the Mollies that aren't satisfied with the new situation and see the "new Mollies" as traitors to the true cause. Cons: still not full-fledged freedom for Dublin, but then again I think it's probably too big a step to take in one go anyway.
3. Full independence for Dublin. Graves becomes a Molly or IMG base, Essex is removed, BAF patrols drastically stepped down, Corsair patrols correspondingly stepped up. Maybe the 'Sairs get an asteroid base somewhere in Dublin, even. Pros: it's pretty much what the Mollies want. Cons: it's a HUGE step, and might be too much. I think it would be more believable to do at least #2, then #3.
Well, we have been talking with Puck about this today.
As i can see, this is possible.
I will write down how i imagine it.
So, bretonia is in war with kusari, right? I think they cannot win, they even lost the controll over tau 31. And now dublin is full with corsairs (npcs), they want to take down bretonia too.
The mollys, if they like it or not, are a "part" of bretonia, so if bretonia falls, the mollys will fall too. -Kusari wins, they will enslave the mollys again, - the corsairs win, they will eliminate the mollys.
So both sides need to offer something.
Bretonia gives dublin to the mollys, and for this the mollys will cover the back of bretonia against the corsairs, and help drive back the kusari.
They could even grant access to their ships. Why? The mollys have good pilots, and gold (to help build ships)
Modding part:
- Frist the molly rep needs to be changed.
- Essex could stay in dublin, maybe a bit closer to the jg..
- Baf patrols would be reduced in dublin, they would be only near the essex
- BHG patrols would be in dublin
- The molly npcs need to be changed in every bret system, so they dont want to pirate and kill everyone
these would be the basic changes
Puck already mentioned an idea from a new system, i already have a concept for it:
-It would be between Dublin and Cambrige (so the mollys would have a quick acces to both possible corsair invasion points)
-The system would be connecte via jumpgate-construction sites (in dublin and i cambrige too)
-The system would have a lot of asteroid filelds, 1 baf base, 1 bmm base, 1 moly base, and 1 base for the new molly replacement pirate faction.
- Yes, the bmm and molly would be mineing together, this would be a part of the independence thing too, so the mollys give there tech to the bmm, that how can they speed up mining, etc etc
- The new pirate faction would be a realy drug-addict faction, like the outcast, and maybe cardamine could be selled here too.
- this new faction would have the same old rep, as the molly have right now (only with a diferent name, id, description, etc)
- They could use the old molly ships too.
Londonderry:
- it would remain the same as it is right now ( okay, not the same, we modded it a bit for the new version;))
- we have a few new models for the new molly ships, so they can be selled there too.
i know, i know, this modding part looks realy a big work, i would love to help in it (the new system, dublin, etc)
This way, dublin would be independent, but the baf would still had an ouitpost there to watch things (essex)
And this way, the molly and the baf would be an allyship of something. the molly could offer there help to patrol the rest of bretonia, defend it against pirates, etc
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