Lock topic please. I give up,lolwuts win

[Yuki]

If that base was my personal property, it wouldn't have a hogosha IFF, darling.

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[Trail]

and ID restriction is not always a restriction. If things are properly RPed out you CAN attack people with the same ID. If an LNS starts shooting other LNS or LPI or some other lawful group and breaks ID (which in technicality couldve been the case in this issue since Lawfuls arent supposed to attack other lawfuls, hogosha in this case) then you are free to respond to that RP (which is what I did)

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[ryoken]

ID cannot shoot ID, that is part of the RP that characters agree to when they pick up the ID. But since this base is personal property next time you will just switch to another ID'd ship. Another example of POBs causing nothing but OORP nonsense

Yup POBs just bring out the rule breakers, and OORP players.

and ID restriction is not always a restriction. If things are properly RPed out you CAN attack people with the same ID. If an LNS starts shooting other LNS or LPI or some other lawful group and breaks ID (which in technicality couldve been the case in this issue since Lawfuls arent supposed to attack other lawfuls, hogosha in this case) then you are free to respond to that RP (which is what I did)

You have no idea do you. Hogosha are not lawfuls, they are quasi lawful just like junkers. So it was a Lawful shooting a quasi lawful for committing an unlawful act. That being shooting a GMG transport and killing it as it undocked from New Tokyo.
It is perfectly within KNF codex to defend civs/traders friendly to Kusari. Hogosha are only neutral until they do an unlawful act, just like what that base does daily by shooting traders that are lawful, and friendly to New Tokyo.
Therefore another KNF BS showing up after the fact and shooting a KNF BS for defending civs is OORP, and that was my whole point of this Topic.
But go ahead, next time that base kills a civ i will again fire on it, and screen it all. If another lolwut navy ship shows up to fire on me for defending civs i will screen that to and report it. As a violation of Same ID firing on same ID.
Now if you fired on me for shooting a KNF you would be in your right, but not for firing on a non navy ID player. And that is what that POB is. A non navy IDd station INRP comitting a crime by killing civs.
You want to defend your pals base, or your own? Get a dam Hogosha ship and do it. Do not go OORP claiming alarms on "SKYPE" told you it was under attack. That in itself is utterly BS OORP, power gaming crap and you know it.


PS. Do you really think that 1 BS lobbing a few Mortars at that base is even going to scratch it? Please! get a life. It was RP, and in no way was hurting the base.

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[Haste]

You are ignoring the Kusari background. Hogosha are very powerful and influential - calling them lawful, unlawful or something inbetween doesn't quite cut it. That is the reason the Kusari government - and by extension, the Navy - ignore and/or deny what it does to whom.

Apparently, your character is unusual and disregards Kusarian law by firing on the base. I don't see why it's strange that you'd be shot at by "colleagues" in return.

Edit:

As for the "It was RP!" claim: sure, it probably was. However, so was opening fire on your ship in return for breaking the law. Technically your ship could have been considered "gone rogue".

[AeternusDoleo]

Powerful and influential, and mostly covert. When players forget about that last part they forget about the nature of the Hogosha. They don't rely on brute force, but subterfuge. Personally, if I was on my KuBS and saw that base wail away at passing transports, I'd take a few potshots at the defense platforms myself. "For the safety of Kusari and it's guests."

's time the KNF comes with an official statement regarding this since it's frankly, getting to be a bit silly.

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Wide awake in a world that sleeps, enduring thoughts, enduring scenes. The knowledge of what is yet to come.
From a time when all seems lost, from a dead man to a world, without restraint, unafraid and free.

Mostly retired Discovery member. May still visit from time to time.

[Yaoquizque]

Already been answered a couple of times.

KNF wasn't consulted about Itabashi when it was created. The KSP made it when they were official, which is all k. It was their right to, and KSP iff wasn't a problem either.
Then, KNF wasn't consulted when it was suddenly sold to BDS without a single news thread or anything. It was just "IFF goes from KSP to Hogosha without notice".

West made a thread from KNF HC ordering BDS to change the IFF back to KSP or to disable the turrets.
Thread was shot down because the government folks weren't informed beforehand.
Alright.

Now we're down to the root of the problem, according to me.
The government chat is pretty much useless. Because its member aren't doing anything unless it involves directly their faction.

Samura is over represented, which makes little sense when Samura would have been supposed to loose a lot of influence since the Creation of the Republic. Hogosha would be supposed to keep a low profile too. After all, they were used by Samura (along with FA, now criminals) to crush the keiretsu opponents.

People supposed to have an active role in Kusari government are hardly active, except when the issue touches their own interest. That's one of the main thing rendering the house of Kusari really awful to play for. That and the absence of anything to do.

Those words may sound harsh, but they are my opinion about this. Sorry.

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[Bakamono]

486 story.
"Hogosha
Most of the Hogosha representatives in the Kusari government are now enjoying their time in jail, awaiting trial. The influence of Hogosha in the government has reduced considerably, although Samura, and sometimes even Kishiro, does address the organization to sort out the problems generated by some of the less legal forms of business in Kusari. "

Hogosha ID
"Cannot demand credits or cargo within Kusari house space. No more sitting in front of ore sale points gents.
Can demand contraband and levy fines, destroying ships that refuse to comply and as as specified within house space as specified by house law."
Typo is on wiki - not mine.
These two things – combined with the asking hogosha personally what their deal is – all make them lawful: as far as Kusari are concerned.
Now, if they did what we wanted them to – and starting blowing people up outside kusari. Things might be different. But they don't.

[Hone]

Already been answered a couple of times.

KNF wasn't consulted about Itabashi when it was created. The KSP made it when they were official, which is all k. It was their right to, and KSP iff wasn't a problem either.
Then, KNF wasn't consulted when it was suddenly sold to BDS without a single news thread or anything. It was just "IFF goes from KSP to Hogosha without notice".

West made a thread from KNF HC ordering BDS to change the IFF back to KSP or to disable the turrets.
Thread was shot down because the government folks weren't informed beforehand.
Alright.

Now we're down to the root of the problem, according to me.
The government chat is pretty much useless. Because its member aren't doing anything unless it involves directly their faction.

Samura is over represented, which makes little sense when Samura would have been supposed to loose a lot of influence since the Creation of the Republic. Hogosha would be supposed to keep a low profile too. After all, they were used by Samura (along with FA, now criminals) to crush the keiretsu opponents.

People supposed to have an active role in Kusari government are hardly active, except when the issue touches their own interest. That's one of the main thing rendering the house of Kusari really awful to play for. That and the absence of anything to do.

Those words may sound harsh, but they are my opinion about this. Sorry.

Which is why I made this thread waaaaay back;

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...government

questioning the sense of having a government with no actual definition, as it leads to this sort of thing - the KNF taking orders from no definable person, with no set way to question them, and ending up doing nothing and looking ridiculous. Lowering kusari activity and hurting themselves.

However as usual people got stroppy at what they thought was an attack on their stuff, and said "no no disagreement internaly could ever happen stop being so paranoid".

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[Hawk]

KNF shooting at another KNF? Isn't that just as bad as KNF shooting at something the Kusari government has decided to alllow?

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[ryoken]

KNF shooting at another KNF? Isn't that just as bad as KNF shooting at something the Kusari government has decided to alllow?

Sure but WHAT GOVERNMENT? As stated a freaking million times. No one is getting any answers from this so called "GOVERNMENT" that does not exist.
Also as i stated many times, and even an admin stated here. That base fired on, and killed a trader infront of my Battleship. So i returned fire on it with a few Mortars at 4K, and even a BS dies to all those turrets in a few seconds any closer. Even admin stated that in RP if base shot a civ he would fire back at it.
Having that base there is fine, but having it hostile with many traders that are lawful, and allied to Kusari is NOT! fine.
For Example Hawk. Do you think if that base infront of Manhattin went Junker IFF, and started shooting BHs and Kusari traders that Liberty would allow it to remain there? NO! It would be totally OORP just like this Hogosha base is, and it is causing alot of issues that no one is willing to deal with.
All i see is a lack of RP from this base, and Kusari "GOVERNMENT", and KNF. Even admins have stated something needs to be done, but again no answers from those who are supposed to be in charge of Kusari, or those who are supposed to be Kusari navy, and law.
The few useless answers so far have been "we see no traders being shot at" which were answered every dam time by multiple screens of traders being killed by it, and a few Navy being shot at.
It is single handedly proving how OORP a POB can be, and how once upgraded nothing can or will be done to remove it, or correct it.
Hell even Hogosha IDd and tagged ships cannot land on it, when i see half a dozen non Hogosha traders land there daily. But hey that is great RP right?

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