Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID.

[tothebonezone]

Pretty obvious, too, since the name of the ship is Freeport.Mobile.Two . I've hauled disaster supplies and other stuff to support Doc and the TAZ with natural disasters, hung around to help during one of the assorted crises in Omega 3, and currently I'm sitting out to provide relief supplies - including additional religious and medical items - at Freeport 11 in Delta.

And that's what they should be doing. Something other than being mass-produced paperweights. Even in 4.85, more people RPed in these things. Also Agmen stop agreeing with me, it's disturbing.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain people still do now, but does that change the fact that a Shipyard with 500 workers shouldn't be able to mass produce the ships the way they're portrayed ingame? Where's the backstory? Where's the presence during conflicts that aren't Zoners causing problems? Where's the research and the overall backwater survival a Juggie would be doing?

I'm not sure if you guys realize how much outrageous management it needs to build and maintain a battleship, but when it would take as much crew to man the battleship as there is on the shipyard bulding it, having them out in mass numbers like they are is retarded.

Hence the SRP suggestions. Hence the nerf suggestions. Hence all of the arguements against them.

So why did people start talking about it now, you defensive 'no u' schmucks might ask? Because not many people were willing to make a thread to put up with you. Kazinsal, of all people, went, 'You know, this is stupid, I'm gonna make a thread about it.' And he seems to be taking most of the hate and blame, and everyone else who didn't want to make a thread (or was too lazy, like me) are coming in to agree. This isn't about the ZA or any specific Zoners (though you guys are confirming the reasons why Zoners shouldn't get battleships), so get over it.

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[Savas]

Well said, Saronsen. On that note the thread should be closed as I can only imagine the QQ that will continue to mount.

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[Huhuh]

I'm not a ZA

This is what I mean by people not reading entire posts.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

i am afraid - but it sounds much like an attempt to create people who are more special than others - and cause you cannot do it by being "better" - you try it by putting others down - so you become better without efford.

Oh wow, saying someone who's in possess of the unique ship ;D

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[Sabru]

Pretty obvious, too, since the name of the ship is Freeport.Mobile.Two . I've hauled disaster supplies and other stuff to support Doc and the TAZ with natural disasters, hung around to help during one of the assorted crises in Omega 3, and currently I'm sitting out to provide relief supplies - including additional religious and medical items - at Freeport 11 in Delta.

And that's what they should be doing. Something other than being mass-produced paperweights. Even in 4.85, more people RPed in these things. Also Agmen stop agreeing with me, it's disturbing.

Again, i wholeheartedly agree. My TAZ neph is RPed as a mobile temple to Eris (with built-in bar, brewery and a few other things.

There are people who actually RP with their juggies, bu they are drowned out (figuratively) by all the people who do the "im zoner battleship" style RP.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain people still do now, but does that change the fact that a Shipyard with 500 workers shouldn't be able to mass produce the ships the way they're portrayed ingame? Where's the backstory? Where's the presence during conflicts that aren't Zoners causing problems? Where's the research and the overall backwater survival a Juggie would be doing?

I'm not sure if you guys realize how much outrageous management it needs to build and maintain a battleship, but when it would take as much crew to man the battleship as there is on the shipyard bulding it, having them out in mass numbers like they are is retarded.

Hence the SRP suggestions. Hence the nerf suggestions. Hence all of the arguements against them.

So why did people start talking about it now, you defensive 'no u' schmucks might ask? Because not many people were willing to make a thread to put up with you. Kazinsal, of all people, went, 'You know, this is stupid, I'm gonna make a thread about it.' And he seems to be taking most of the hate and blame, and everyone else who didn't want to make a thread (or was too lazy, like me) are coming in to agree. This isn't about the ZA or any specific Zoners (though you guys are confirming the reasons why Zoners shouldn't get battleships), so get over it.

here, here.

* Sabru returns to his mobile temple

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[Jinx]

so - would the taz support the idea of restricting capital ships for zoners alone, sabre? - it might be important to get an official stance there.

red already managed to make one for phoenix - what about taz ... supporting the OPs opinion officiall? - if so - maybe its time you guys get together ( with phoenix ) and discuss things in a constructive manner.

think about whats best for the faction ( that means proactive ) - what makes the faction more attractive and better. - get from talking about it to actually acting.

who knows - with 87 at the doorstep - and various updates to follow - it might be THE time to get things done - if you have the will and not just talking about it.

by that time taz and phoenix - if you wanne keep it transparent - might make another thread that is not like that one ( full of insults and accusations ) - where only taz and phoenix officials post - as an official request to the admins ( id change ) or stat change ( devs ) or both. - or a request to get ships above the freighter removed entirely - all is possible - if you do it in a serious manner.


edit: my apology if you are not TAZ - i m not familiar with their roster - but you have their sign in your sig - so i assumed.

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[Sabru]

so - would the taz support the idea of restricting capital ships for zoners alone, sabre? - it might be important to get an official stance there.

red already managed to make one for phoenix - what about taz ... supporting the OPs opinion officiall? - if so - maybe its time you guys get together ( with phoenix ) and discuss things in a constructive manner.

think about whats best for the faction ( that means proactive ) - what makes the faction more attractive and better. - get from talking about it to actually acting.

who knows - with 87 at the doorstep - and various updates to follow - it might be THE time to get things done - if you have the will and not just talking about it.

by that time taz and phoenix - if you wanne keep it transparent - might make another thread that is not like that one ( full of insults and accusations ) - where only taz and phoenix officials post - as an official request to the admins ( id change ) or stat change ( devs ) or both. - or a request to get ships above the freighter removed entirely - all is possible - if you do it in a serious manner.


edit: my apology if you are not TAZ - i m not familiar with their roster - but you have their sign in your sig - so i assumed.

for the official stance, you have to talk to Doc or Mad John.

What i post is my personal view, which is that i support OP's proposal. and even made suggestions on how the situation can be remedied.

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[Jinx]

would be helpful if either of those would not remain silent too much - unless they are not interested in the matter.

as - was it prowler? ... or someone else - said... its been a matter for a long time - and unless taz does not want to participate - decisions ( if they are made ) might be made without them.

the above it just a hint - cause there is like no justification for later complaints when the faction did not participate in such a process. - right now the only stance we know of is phoenix' stance by what RedEclipse stated officially.

while it is not absolutely necessary of course - i do remember official factions stating that they wish to be more involved in faction progress more - so, here is the chance.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Jinx is sending me a PM and then blocking my account so I can't answer. That's funny so here is your answer so you can read it.

although i guess you won t understand it...
the difference is - i got my ship without putting others down - while kazinal and consorts want to gain more access not by doing more - or getting more - they want it by making others get less.

but if you prove to me that my personal ship ( which i share with everyone who is doing the efford btw. and always have ) by restricting others - then have it so.

if kazinal had said "hey, lets make it so that very good and proactive zoners get more gear that we still need to create" - awesome..

you know - maybe i get it to you by giving you the difference between reward and punishment. - i hope you understand the difference between those two.


in short - unqualified and rather insulting comment of yours.

in short - you got it wrong. I don't really care to have someone getting my comments wrong (or topic as a whole) but I'll just leave my understanding of the situation here so you can note it.

So if you want to hear it - keep reading.

I don't know or, even maybe, like Kazinsal as a person. I don't know his VR faction or so and I was never crossing my ways with him. However out of going on witchhunt about how are conspiring over who here I can say that I agree with the topic because the only one who don't want to loose the zoner capitals are those who either made the trouble with them in before and feel like it's alright or those who wasn't touched by those troubles themselves. However the majority of those who wittinessed the whole problem are kinda united in the opinion on the Zoners loosing ability to freely buy caps. This is RP server and I really like the idea of having all capital class vessels being available only through the SRP no matter Zoner or not. It's not a matter of putting community X over community Y. It's about making people to actually RP to get ship instead of doing mindless grind and then doing tardy things to ruin everyone's fun and immersion of game.

I hope I cleared it out. Zoners are being attacked not because people don't like zoners as an NPC faction. They are just ruining other's immersion and fun with help of people who abuse the ID, Shipline, ZoI to ruin the day and push own random parallel RP environment. (Latest example = ZA).

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[Govedo13]

I agree with the OP.
There are so many options to make zoners not dull and allow new types of RP both for factions and indies. I want the ships to stay but they does not need to be typical PvP caps.
Change them into something else. Examples:

Add specific scanner that costs 500m and can be mounted only on Corvo and Reseph, allow it to scan ships and detect stuff at 15k. Remove Corvo heavy slots.

Make Jugg supertransport- 4000 cargo restricted only to Omicrons- 1b price mixture of cruiser and transport guns, cruiser shield and cruiser hull ratings, 1 single cruiser heavy slot, 20 transport gun slots. Lolwuts would kill for such useless thing.

Make the Carrier and Fearless official faction only. Or change the 4 ships in any way that you desire, take the official factions to give you feedback. Actually the lack of natural enemies gives zoner capital ships so many options not to be typical warships but something else.
So everyone would be able to RP its thing.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)