Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF

[Lobster]

I am not going to write a long post or thesis about this subject, for I merely wish to contribute my opinion and nothing more. This will be my only post.



I believe the inRP actions taken by the war cabinet were completely inappropriate. They were much too hasty and showed complete disregard for any attempt to peacefully resolve with the base owner.

However, while I think this is uncalled for behavior, I do not think they broke any rules in doing so.



There should have been more roleplay. However, the Bretonians had the password to the base inRP and reacted to (albeit shaky) inRP events. Thus, while rude, the events that have transpired are completely legit.



Sorry for your base, they should have treated the situation with more care.

[Alley]

See Bootsiuv as example he understands me.

We're not understanding you and we're not on a side. What we are bothered about is the way they destroyed your base we feel was inappropriate.

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[Havok]

However, while I think this is uncalled for behavior, I do not think they broke any rules in doing so.

While the way We (The War Cabinet) Destroyed the base may seem or have been a dick move, I will quote Anne here on what is the Obvious point.

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[Bootsiuv]

We're not understanding you and we're not on a side. What we are bothered about is the way they destroyed your base we feel was inappropriate.

Exactly this.

While I sympathize with you, and the others who were affected, had your base been blown up with more rp, I'd say tough cookies. Don't shoot traders in Bretonian space.

However, I will say that I think people should be given a chance before such drastic action is taken i.e. have a friggin heart. Again, we are not our characters.

I also don't like the manner in which it was carried out.

Better an admin step in than this. It has only created real life bad blood, which is why it should dai nau imo.

[Alley]

While the way We (The War Cabinet) Destroyed the base may seem or have been a dick move, I will quote Anne here on what is the Obvious point.

it is a dick move, there's no doubt on that. You're acknowledging it but still refuse to apologise for doing it. You can hide behind the server rules all day but that's not even relevant to what you're being blamed for. If you want to look like a bunch of piss poor players that can't be trusted then you should definitely keep going this way.

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Alley was right.

[Irwin]

Okay tell me what ''the idiot'' aka me has done?
I'm not whining and moaning, but seems like you had no base yet ye?
Also you can't understand me. See Bootsiuv as example he understands me.

You did two things that were very idiotic. You gave them your base password, and you gave them reason to blow up your base. Whether or not you think they were justified in blowing it up is beside the point, because to them, it was justified.

And, I've lost a base I poured a good deal of time and money into. I dumped one and a half billion credits into it. Admittedly, it never reached even close to the status of your base, and the circumstances for its destruction were very different (oh god the legates so many legates). Saying "I can't understand you," is rather childish, in fact, that statement is one of the most stereotypical things said by moody rebellious children.

But, regardless, even if that weren't the case, people don't need to understand why you're acting like you are to understand that you're acting like a whiny child. You've already been compensated and you've received an apology. Move on and quit screaming, please.

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[MartoGuy]

Why is everyone accusing jonnaffen747 of trolling? He may be just bad at English? It is the same if he tries to defend his case in Suahili, he just doesn't understand English the same way people who have practiced it for a long time do, I too am not a first language English speaker, and when I started learning it I couldn't understand anything. The guy is merely mad, because he lost a lot of his time in an instant.

On the arguments for the destruction, are three destroyed transport ships. When Thyrzul ship was destroyed without enough RP before hand, it is a crime. But when the POB was destroyed, without warning, and in this case the destruction of it could have been avoided, until the notification of jonnaffen747 or at least his appearance, it is not. On a game mechanics level, one is a 50 million loss, and a generous two to three hours of time loss, and the other is far greater.

On the RP perspective, destroying a fully functional base isn't a small feat, even though the Bretonian goverment had the means and resources to do it, they didn't had the need. When you are a House at war, when you have the means to "capture" or "pacify" a base, do you destroy it? Also f there was no need for a RP post, or com link before the situation, why is there one after that. As it is now it only seems that the players involved in the destruction, be it direct or indirect commitment to it, are trying to cover them self, their RP Characters or their interests from possible consequences.

As we are here only to talk, discuss and try to clarify the situation. The people who are going on a wild witch hunt for trolls, are accusing the posters and not the posts, or are merely judging them by how their sentences are structured, are contributing nothing. Make suggestions.

As for my two cents, both parties are at fault, the POB did violate terms, by shooting Player Characters, even not intentionally. But so did the other party, by not trying to resolve the situation peacefully, or at least tried to communicate with all the people involved in the situation, when they had the chance, the power and the reason to do so. The solution in my mind is the returning of the base, and a "do - over ", at a selected time, maybe make it even an event.

I remember not so long ago that Kusari, had a few threads about a POB situation of their own, and it involved almost every faction there. Why miss the chance here by simply shooting the thing, and uttering a few posts to justify it?


EDIT:
People, who are claiming that these things aren't against the rules and that it should be ignored. If there aren't any rules on the issue, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be. The Rules are there to make everyones experience a fun and fair one. If you recognize the act as a unfair or unpositive, then there should be rules introduced. Not addressing the issue, by just saying "There are no rules", isn't fair. Even in real life there are Law Changes, precedents and etc. , why not here?

[FallenKnight]

However, while I think this is uncalled for behavior, I do not think they broke any rules in doing so.
There should have been more roleplay. However, the Bretonians had the password to the base inRP and reacted to (albeit shaky) inRP events. Thus, while rude, the events that have transpired are completely legit.

I think this pretty much explains the entire issue. The base was destroyed with haste BUT without breaking any server rules. This thread really served its purpose and contains a lot of material for the admins to read and build an opinion.
Any further comments are simply pointless and will only bring more "oil" to this "fireplace".

@Alley I dont see how this have something to do with you but I see you are trying to turn this thread in to a street fight. Perhaps you should take a break away from it? No offense thought...

@Admins, as long as the "Base Sabotage" is not sanctionable, people gona abuse it if they can, or simply use it as an option. If there were such a rule then perhaps entire Cabinet would be sanctioned but since there isnt one, its all up to the players to decide what to do, when and how as long as its inside the borders of the rules. I am not pointing only this thread but all the dozens of rumors and maybe hundreds of bases being sabotaged in any way.

@All, Base sabotage is like Ganks, its seems. They are not against the rules, we all can do them but they are "dic* move". Should they happen? No...but ppl will always do them if they can.

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[Alley]

@Alley I dont see how this have something to do with you but I see you are trying to turn this thread in to a street fight. Perhaps you should take a break away from it? No offense thought...

@Admins, as long as the "Base Sabotage" is not sanctionable, people gona abuse it if they can, or simply use it as an option. If there were such a rule then perhaps entire Cabinet would be sanctioned but since there isnt one, its all up to the players to decide what to do, when and how as long as its inside the borders of the rules. I am not pointing only this thread but all the dozens of rumors and maybe hundreds of bases being sabotaged in any way.

So? Bootsuiv doesn't have to do anything with this either but we're astonished players like you that have been here for pretty much as long as we've been would pull this kind of move. We're letting you know about it.

If you receive a 0.0 sanction to remind you not to be dicks, perhaps that would make it easier for you to understand you did something wrong rather than a few players external to this incident telling you that you did something wrong?

You're seriously just as bad as jonnaffen, your reasoning is "if it can be abused, let's do it then". A+ reasoning from a faction leader, nice one dude.

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Alley was right.

[FallenKnight]

@Alley, just to mention something between the lines. I "came back" to discovery today and sadly my "welcome" journey begun here.
I did not take part of this incident nor I support it. But during my last posts you can see that I gave a lot of RP laws that prove such a quick move to wipe a base with haste (being with or without fleet) is totaly in the power of "Bretonia" considering the evidences.

You are old member and I am sure you can see that even if the base is respawned, its not gona remain there according the RP incidents. That is why this thread is becoming pointless...cuz ppl start to fight each other instead to help this problem to be solved.
The moves of the goverment when they voted before days are inRP but the way they've done it and with the haste could be a little more better. I assure you - They KNOW this but like all of us...when ppl do mistakes sadly they see them in the end.

Here the only mistake that can be considered as "bad move" is this sabotage...which happens to be possibility cuz there is no rule to back it as sanctionable. That is why this thread is giving only problems which happens daily. Should all ppl cry of being sabotaged? Isnt that a possibility in RP? NO I DONT DEFEND SABOTAGING but...you got my point I hope.

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