Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF

[jonnaffen747]

Heh,
If i didnt had done this it would probably be sieged by HMS-

[Yaoquizque]

What i would like to know regarding POBs is if the administration team is working on a policy to regulate them.

At the moment, there isn't any regulation.

Anyone can build a base anywhere. IFFs can be changed at will, regardless of plausibility.

It leads to situations ranging from awkward (A base being supplied by lawful chars and defended by unlawful ones) to game-play harming (blockade enforcing base near jump-holes).

Nothing stops a group of people to begin the construction of a base right in front of planet Denver and to give it an unlawful IFF. And the regulation tool are players themselves, enforcing house laws by sieging that base.

How can one then blame them to use everything they can to keep things in relative order? Players can't be lore guardians, because people aren't reasonable.

Would that be time to make bases requiring an admin permission, just like SRP, and in exchange to increase their over all cost, so that more people would be needed to make them run smoothly?

But oh well... If you listened me to the end, everything above gunboats should require a SRP too...

In the end, i quite feel sorry for McLuv. Because i can relate with what he faced lately.
Something quite similar happened after Freeport XXI siege.

Everyone does mistakes and do harm others at some point, willingly or unwillingly. Pointing fingers is easy. Yet it hardly resolves anything.

And finally, while losing your base is enraging, it isn't the end of the world.
Perhaps you should remember the trip is more important than the destination... I know. Easy to say when you're not in the eye of the storm.

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[SummerMcLovin]

Thanks for your own patience, Cannon, and for keeping up with the thread to make an informed decision.

I'll be updating the laws page and in the future will send out a comm thread or two before calling in the caps for newer bases. Hopefully there will never be a repeat of this sort of situation, with a not-so-new base or me pulling such a move again.

And to Jinx, I still don't plan to demand passwords from bases as standard procedure - simply the mistake of having someone we cannot fully trust make a base in such a potentially dangerous position won't be allowed to repeat itself. This was also the concern with the first FPXXI, although to Yao's slight credit he did nothing as dramatic and horrible as me.
Even if we wanted to, I doubt there would be many willing to hand one over anyway.

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Kingdom of Bretonia
Colonial Republic
Independent Miners Guild
Ex-Admin

[jonnaffen747]

It is the responsibility of official factions to act as an example for all players and this wasn't a good example.

Cannon,

This is the Worst-Possible Scenario that ever could happend, I've lost my base, Bretonias Governments are dicks all saying. Awesome. Who has helped this thread? Noone. Your decision was just to mind someones punishment and someones reward. You choosed the middle way. This means for all (included me) that I've wasted my whole Saturday in sitting here around and Posting 100x the same in Hope that cannon understands this. I dunno if you readed all Posts, but it was confirmed (As far i had readed) that this was a totaly ooRP kill.

Admins - ooRP power 8|
Players - RP power

As it was ooRP we can request for your measures.
I'm sure you won't read this post, why you should.
And even aren't there any new Rules regarding bases, the only Thing you've done was :
Saying the War Cabinet should maybe act with a bit more rp in next time , then you are fine and a idiot like luke won't muck around in Forum, capiche?
And the Thing with RP in Skype is not Valid I've tried to explain, that's right that's why this base was totaly ooRP Killed the War Cabinet has just voted in Skype, and this is ooRP means they are against rule 5.2 or the new rule you setted (I Prefer 5.2 becuz when they attack my base , it is same as they are attacking Administrator = me cuz the base was a PoB = Player Obtained Base I maintain it, I work for it. It is same as when they would kill me first and rp after that. The PoB is part of me you can't ignore that cannon.)

I'm still against your decision Cannon.

-Luke

[Anaximander]

- factions that claim space can legitimately force pob builders to share their master password with them

I think that would be a most excellent idea; IMO base permit-granting authorities should always have the Master Password - it sucks to siege bases, and it crashes the server; would be much better to just to quickly dismantle it like it was done in this case. And it would put pressure on base owners to act reasonably and be careful with things like weapon platform testing.

[FallenKnight]

I dunno if you readed all Posts, but it was confirmed (As far i had readed) that this was a totaly ooRP kill.

Jonnah "I dunno if you readed all Posts" but if you did then you would know it was clearly stated several times that the destruction of your base was Totaly inRP, the Reasons behind that action were again inRP. The only problem here was the Way this destruction was implemented. No matter how, your base was going down.

Cannon said his word and perhaps you should try to understand him.

"The Bretonian war cabinet must to role play this sort of situation better in the future. It is the responsibility of official factions to act as an example for all players and this wasn't a good example."

The colored text clearly states that Cannon agrees with the RP reasons of the WC to destroy your base but he is not satisfied with the Way it was Implemented. A mistake which will not be repeated again because "the official factions must be example". I hope you can understand that finally.

And the Thing with RP in Skype is not Valid I've tried to explain, that's right that's why this base was totaly ooRP Killed the War Cabinet has just voted in Skype, and this is ooRP means they are against rule 5.2 or the new rule you setted

I think you misunderstood Again. Every House have a "goverment" consisting of all faction leaders in the "House". That means whenever something is about to happen these ppl gona vote. The voting is happening on skype but anything else is suggested to be posted on Forum in case its necessary. In short once all factions of Bretonia: BAF/BPA/BIS/Govermental Rper (and others involved in a scenario) vote with "Yes" that means the community agrees with the steps they gona take in future.
Once voting is done depending on the scenario it can be posted on forum as notification or not. (If WC vote to raid a Corsair base...we wont drop notification to them ofcourse...it would be wrong but in your case, it could be handled better and again to end up with your base being destroyed)

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[jonnaffen747]

All this happend becuz a Feeling that i could go a threat maybe 'in further' thats just dumb. You approve me that base to secure the gate etc, and then when it's finished you vote for destruction.

[FallenKnight]

*sighs* I am very patient man but here it seems I am talking to someone who cant understand that 2+2=4. I am sorry again for your base but try in future to learn how to control your 7 platforms which inRP are killing innocent people. Your OORP problems of controlling the base are of no concern to the RP. Your base is doing RP problems => Its gona take RP consequences. Thats the "reality" of the RP.

I already said everything usefull before few posts. Go and re-read them carefully to understand the reasons of nearly 4 official factions to vote the destruction of your base.

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Discovery Bridges[Feedback] Baron Piett[Biography]

[Redon]

Thats crap.
I lost everything.
Noone helps great.

Don't give your password out next time

Heh,
If i didnt had done this it would probably be sieged by HMS-

Probably. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that your mistake was not to share the password, but whatever you did that lead the Bret war cabinet to the decision to destroy your base.

They didn't destroy your base because you gave them the password, they destroyed the base because of the things you did, and used the password to do it.

Whether how they did it was okay is highly questionable, but why they did it should not.

[Jinx]

@summer:

the problem is not you. - what we have is a precident case. it does show that demanding the password is "ok" as a pre-requisite to allow base building of totally legal and inRP unproblematic bases. i am not on about this current case. that one is closed.

for example

it means that the official gaian faction ( i know there is none ) could ask a player who wants to build a pob to share his password. If that player refused to do that, he would be flagged "hostile" and they could prevent the building of that base from the start - even if the base itself and all is 100% fine.
some players blamed the owner for being guillable to share the password after all. but sharing the password with the parent faction is indeed inRP if you associate with that faction. it is like telling the police your bank account number when they come to you and ask. you may not love to do so - but they are a govermental power whose role is to serve the public interest - and not complying with them means you are not acting in the public interest.

now at that point you may say "stop that crap - that is so far fetched, that does not happen" but thats what went down uncommented here.

furthermore - if the base owner shared the password (meaning he was either guillable or trusting - or maybe just serious to roleplay his role as a member of that NPC faction) the base could be destroyed from within as a pre-emptive measure.

Cannon has not commented on the reason for an attack - but only commented on prior roleplay. I can roleplay extensivly about the fear that a base commander "might" go rogue - i do not even need (real) evidence as that part was not mentioned.

if for example a base owner drops a comment about the faction on skype - and or falls from grace - he can either

change the password ( which will be interpreted as a hostile act )
or wait for his base to be crippled from within


all that only applies if the official faction has malicious intents. - the problem there is that few people who do act like that consider it malicious. they consider it reasonable and rational.

so yea - if a house faction WANTS to do it - they can put it into their "laws"

- if you want to build a pob in our space, you MUST give the password to us or you are not allowed.
- if you build a base without sharing the password, you will be persecuted, FR5 from our installations and your base will be destroyed.

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