Well, I have a completely different question. One that I consider more important. What the hell is stopping House Police&Military from outlawing you, putting you on their never-ending list of pirates and just arresting you on sight? Since basically everything you do is pirate lawful and semi-lawful traders...
I can even imagine how it would go.
LN: Junker Congress, this is Liberty Navy. We wanted to ask you... What the hell? Why are you pirating our traders? We can't even enjoy our coffee without hearing cries of a trader who was pirated by a Junker.
JC: Oh those JM guys are not one of us. Lookie lookie, they even pirated one of our ships.
LN: *shakes head in disbelief*
JC: *weeps silently*
(Same with KNF etc. just replace coffey with tea)
Seriously. My impression is that this is just another pirate faction that is trying to hide behind Junker's ID to escape lawful prosecution, because "You can't arrest me, I'm a Junker I did nothing wrong! Oh look there a helpless trader! Pew! Pew!"
Please go try to abuse and exploit a different ID. Thank you.
And let's look at one more thing. Junkers are not the only quasi-lawful faction around. Now what do you think would happen if Hogosha started pirating everyone and everything around, including Kusari companies and then expected the Navy to ignore them when they fly by?
EDIT: And just to emphasize what I am talking about, the next time I see a JM tagged ship as a member of law-enforcing faction I will arrest on the charges of piracy and keep in locked up while I search the records (//do forumlancing to find out if anyone was pirated by this JM) How is this different from the way you would treat a criminal? Your info-post says it is, but I don't see how...
EDIT2: Also I have a question, if you can be a Junker, pirate everyone and then be neutral with law-enforcement unless they catch you in the act, then what is the reason for the existence of Pirate ID? Why would anyone ever want to be a pirate when you can be a Junker and do it for free with no fear of authorities?
Also this whole thing is quite disrespectful towards Junker Congress. They spent a lot of time, effort and (virtual)money to make sure Junkers are viewed as quasi-lawful but mostly okay group in Sirius. And now just come and say: "Tee hee, forget neutrality. Pirate ship Ahoooy!"
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(03-04-2014, 01:05 PM)Tyroflion Wrote: EDIT: And just to emphasize what I am talking about, the next time I see a JM tagged ship as a member of law-enforcing faction I will arrest on the charges of piracy and keep in locked up while I search the records (//do forumlancing to find out if anyone was pirated by this JM) How is this different from the way you would treat a criminal? Your info-post says it is, but I don't see how...
EDIT2: Also I have a question, if you can be a Junker, pirate everyone and then be neutral with law-enforcement unless they catch you in the act, then what is the reason for the existence of Pirate ID? Why would anyone ever want to be a pirate when you can be a Junker and do it for free with no fear of authorities?
Also this whole thing is quite disrespectful towards Junker Congress. They spent a lot of time, effort and (virtual)money to make sure Junkers are viewed as quasi-lawful but mostly okay group in Sirius. And now just come and say: "Tee hee, forget neutrality. Pirate ship Ahoooy!" [/color]
Haven't seen such amount of butthurt concentrated in a single post for weeks already. We were missing you, Tyr.
(03-04-2014, 02:08 PM)Ryummel Wrote: Haven't seen such amount of butthurt concentrated in a single post for weeks already. We were missing you, Tyr.
Heh Butt-hurt? I met the guys once and apart from mild annoyance of being shot at from 3K range by a BWT I have absolutely no reason to dislike them on a personal level. Yet what I see here is a blatant ID exploitation that noone seems to care about because everyone is more interested in JM attacking other Junkers.
And it's nice to see that your ability to create posts that contain valid clearly formulated arguments that contribute to the discussion and that are in no way flaming has reached heavenly heights.
(03-04-2014, 02:23 PM)Pancakes Wrote: Seriously though, you won't be blamed for the actions of JM|, heck, you can't be blamed for it.
Same way you can't blame [LN] for lolwut LNS going to, lets say, Kusari.
Heh, I'm sorry if there has been a misunderstanding. I am not a member of Junker Congress. In fact I don't play a Junker character at all
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Spoke the one pretending to post 'feedback' in actual form of QQ.
Leave these guys play the role they want, in no way they're molesting the Congress nor exploting an ID. We have House Military/Police issuing FR5 requests to problematic groups to them RPwise for a reason, genius.
(03-04-2014, 02:31 PM)Ryummel Wrote: Spoke the one pretending to post 'feedback' in actual form of QQ.
Leave these guys play the role they want, in no way they're molesting the Congress nor exploting an ID. We House Military/Police issuing FR5 requests to problematic groups to them RPwise for a reason, genius.
My my, I see that even your knowledge of English language is improving. But broken syntax not-withstanding, from what I understand they actually are (or will be) "molesting" the Congress if it allows them to get cheap bucks from their cargo. My question remains.
How is this a Junker behavior? Why is the ship pirating that :j: trader carrying Junker ID and not a Pirate ID?
And why should an indie member of law-enforcement see them as Junkers (e.g. neutral party) when all they have of their supposed allegiance is the ID? Why shouldn't other indiee pirates throw away their ID and become pirating Junkers?
If this was a group of ex-Junkers who now live as pirates I would be totally fine with it. But they aren't.
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(03-04-2014, 02:31 PM)Ryummel Wrote: Spoke the one pretending to post 'feedback' in actual form of QQ.
Leave these guys play the role they want, in no way they're molesting the Congress nor exploting an ID. We House Military/Police issuing FR5 requests to problematic groups to them RPwise for a reason, genius.
My my, I see that even your knowledge of English language is improving. But broken syntax not-withstanding, from what I understand they actually are (or will be) "molesting" the Congress if it allows them to get cheap bucks from their cargo. My question remains.
How is this a Junker behavior? Why is the ship pirating that :j: trader carrying Junker ID and not a Pirate ID?
And why should an indie member of law-enforcement see them as Junkers (e.g. neutral party) when all they have of their supposed allegiance is the ID? Why shouldn't other indiee pirates throw away their ID and become pirating Junkers?
If this was a group of ex-Junkers who now live as pirates I would be totally fine with it. But they aren't.
Their pirating as per ID allows only in independent systems, not part of any of the houses. Thus that means in the wild west they indeed are pirates, but while in house space they do follow the rules, to some extent.
I could agree that pirating people with your own ID would be bad, but saying they should be pirate ID just because they mostly pirate is a bit meh. It's like saying "We don't want you to use that clause in the ID that allows you to do this, because we think you should do it with that other ID that's not ours". And like Fran pointed out - if somebody bothers to tape the piracy act I'm sure any of the house governments would be happy to FR5 them.
Also - go eat a sandwich. ;]
P.S. To post actual feedback:
Met you guys like twice or so, one of the times under fire. I'd say you look like an interesting bunch and I feel refreshed to see this kind of junkers, since they've mostly been lawful smugglers / pirate friendly traders in my eyes.
Junkers don't/can't pirate in house space. As such, they don't pose an active threat to law enforcement and/or house traders. House corps who venture out into the Taus and other edge/borderworlds are just asking for trouble.
And JM| is a completely different tag from .:j:. There's no way you can confuse the two unless you're blind.
(03-04-2014, 02:53 PM)Bloodl1ke Wrote: Their pirating as per ID allows only in independent systems, not part of any of the houses. Thus that means in the wild west they indeed are pirates, but while in house space they do follow the rules, to some extent.
I could agree that pirating people with your own ID would be bad, but saying they should be pirate ID just because they mostly pirate is a bit meh. It's like saying "We don't want you to use that clause in the ID that allows you to do this, because we think you should do it with that other ID that's not ours". And like Fran pointed out - if somebody bothers to tape the piracy act I'm sure any of the house governments would be happy to FR5 them.
Now that is an actual argument that one can work with. And I can see how this could work. But it still feels weird, especially because not everyone reads Forums and it could greatly damage the reputation of Junkers in general among the indiee players to the point where they would be attacking indie and Congress Junkers for the actions committed by JM.
We are in the Faction Creation Request topic, where I'm trying to discuss the problems with the creation of JM as an official Junker faction. And funny thing is that while I'm doing just that(posing questions and giving arguments) while Fran is only flaming I am the one who gets verbally attacked/told to chill out.
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