Premium scrap pricing.

[Binski]

I don't see a problem with this. It actually gives you the ability to make money as a Junker, say, as much as a miner, for once. Most times you make money on your miners and that cash goes into chars like Junkers. I don't think people are going to go ditch their current mining faction for Junker now. If they have independent miners, sure, then its easy to go Junker. I don't think spreading things out will lessen any chance of piracy, you can always see the system chat and who is where, how many are in what system...etc. I think, more miners/scrappers in general, Sirius wide, can only increase piracy opportunities, even if they're spread out. With everything, I believe more, and bigger, is always better. When things start shrinking, you don't shrink with it. If disco were a business, it would expand if it were smart, expanding is the way to go in the future. More opportunities, more features, more abilities, yes, more systems (with new stuff to prevent boredom) and so on. I'd like to see more little tweaks to kick start new centers for activity.

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[aakopa]

Yes! Hopefully this will get ALG alive.

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[Ayatolah]

Still, this is not permanent, but a small.help to the real space gitanos is welcome even if its just for little time

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[Kosa]

Nope. I bet that there would be no activity spike.
Because you all think too simplistic totally ignoring the big picture.

Lets say I am guy willing to make money in Discovery and I have a miner.
I see the change and rep my miner to junker, go to mine and then some Xenos kill me 2-3 times.
What I do?
Admins think that I would do following:
1:Hire escorts,team up with other fellow miners, call the local law enforcement to protect me.
In reality it happens following:
2: I just re-rep my miner and go to mine in the empty Omegas/Kusari/Dublin/Taos/whatever...
Simply because currently are more free of pirates mining spots in the server then the total numbers of players on-line.

This change would have exactly the opposite result and would be negative towards activity. By creating more mining spots you reduce the chance of miner to be pirated. Giving more mining spots to semi-lawful faction that is in good relation with the pirates reduces the chances even more. The whole promotes credits grinding and avoiding of interaction.


If you want 1 to happen you need to remove option 2. The simplest more efficient way to remove it to nerf the rest of mining spots when you buff one so the activity can be concentrated there.

The whole is simple maths combined with some basic Nash Game Theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium
Read it if you wish.

I am sorry to agree with Govedo. I'm sorry because I know the admin team only wanted to do good. And I agree with Govedo because he is right and that's also what I'd do (Option 2)

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[.Gypsy.]

Nope. I bet that there would be no activity spike.
Because you all think too simplistic totally ignoring the big picture.

Lets say I am guy willing to make money in Discovery and I have a miner.
I see the change and rep my miner to junker, go to mine and then some Xenos kill me 2-3 times.
What I do?
Admins think that I would do following:
1:Hire escorts,team up with other fellow miners, call the local law enforcement to protect me.
In reality it happens following:
2: I just re-rep my miner and go to mine in the empty Omegas/Kusari/Dublin/Taos/whatever...
Simply because currently are more free of pirates mining spots in the server then the total numbers of players on-line.

This change would have exactly the opposite result and would be negative towards activity. By creating more mining spots you reduce the chance of miner to be pirated. Giving more mining spots to semi-lawful faction that is in good relation with the pirates reduces the chances even more. The whole promotes credits grinding and avoiding of interaction.


If you want 1 to happen you need to remove option 2. The simplest more efficient way to remove it to nerf the rest of mining spots when you buff one so the activity can be concentrated there.

The whole is simple maths combined with some basic Nash Game Theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium
Read it if you wish.

I am sorry to agree with Govedo. I'm sorry because I know the admin team only wanted to do good. And I agree with Govedo because he is right and that's also what I'd do (Option 2)

Currently the Junkers have(or had) NO real mining spots since scrap got nerfed to uselessness, this change in no way is bad when Junkers who cannot mine ore now have a way to mine for cash, just as every other mining faction has.

Saying that this change is bad because Junkers can finally make some credits mining scrap is simply wrong. All we want is the same thing and right as all other mining factions. Also we junkers want more players to consider playing as Junkers just as many of you want new players to consider your faction. Without SOME sort of scrap mining (the whole point of junkers, especially new players) people just stopped making junkers.

So that some of you think this change may not be good for your faction, it is good for junkers. Now if normal scrap could be adjusted as well, that would be great!

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[Freeroamer]

I love this

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[Starsunder]

Whoa, that's very nice.


Could you add one more buypoint, if it's possible naturally. The Ring, it's one big space factory, the biggest in Sirius. Was buying scrap since vanilla, and with such prices mining it becomes real thing; we'd like to sign agreements with Junkers to deliver scrap to that Daumann factory.

+1

Or maybe ALG, you Rheinlander?

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[Jack_Henderson]

Nice to see Premium Scrap promoted into the realm of a "real mining commodity".

If Karst was still here, he would cry a little. Hidden, ofc, and from joy.

The logical thing to do in such situation is to leave only 1-2 profitable spots that rotate each week and flat nerf the rest at least with 50-60%. If you do so you would create hotspots and activity.

Yeeee.... sure, man! <sarcasm on>
Because your idea would totally not lead to all other factions not logging at all and it is totally not true that restarting after 2 weeks of inactivity is damn hard to impossible. Bad call. Exceptionally bad call.

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[SummerMcLovin]

If Karst was still here, he would cry a little. Hidden, ofc, and from joy.

Yes, Karst was never prone to extremely public displays of emotion...

I think he might try and steal you from Alte if you also buffed Toxic Waste for him, Widow, don't know if that's in the works or not if you're looking for a change!

With room for possibly needed adjustment, hopefully this'll help a little bit.

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[Tutashkhia]

This is the best even you've made so far... I hope Gamma and Alpha activity will be hugely increased.