The Core - Core|

[Rebirth]

All confrontations with Core| members I had so far, went well. They are very talkative tbh. You do a good work there, keep it up!

regards,
Rebirth

[Connor]

Okay guys. Some pretty disappointing fights from you. It's really not good when you decide to engage a lone bomber, that was about to have a fair fight with another bomber, and then you dump 2 missile and solaris boats on it at the same time. Yeah, I know. Nomads are meant to die I get that. But still, 2 missile/solaris boats added into a fair fight to kill the nomad quicker? If you don't believe it, here are a few engagement notices from your two gunboats. (I engage Emile)

[11.10.2014 19:40:01] Core|Trident: Nodtviet: We can at least deal with this one

[11.10.2014 19:40:06] Core|Vampire: Guns hot, opening fire

http://i.imgur.com/8VgpikQ.png

And then what really concerned me was that after your two gunboats died to a vallient group of Nomads, your lone bomber who said this to me as I was running:

[11.10.2014 19:40:00] Core|Emile.Gustaf: big mouth and now fleeing *smile*

And then to later docks on the base in Delta because she was being attacked by several SNUBS. What? Hypocrisies beyond all belief.

http://i.imgur.com/obtrhGT.png

And then what made it even worse was that K'hara was pm'd this in game from her:

[11.10.2014 19:52:12] Core|Emile.Gustaf: kudos for fair fights. hope cloaks will get nerved fast.

Such a sarcastic, yet unneeded pm from the group that originally ganked a lone Nomad Bomber with 2 MISSILE/SOLARIS Gunboats and a bomber. Please guys, I expected better from you. If you gank people, prepare to be ganked back.

Just to let you know, the group was prepared to let me fight the bomber on my own before you engaged me.

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[Lythrilux]

Okay guys. Some pretty disappointing fights from you. It's really not good when you decide to engage a lone bomber, that was about to have a fair fight with another bomber, and then you dump 2 missile and solaris boats on it at the same time. Yeah, I know. Nomads are meant to die I get that. But still, 2 missile/solaris boats added into a fair fight to kill the nomad quicker? If you don't believe it, here are a few engagement notices from your two gunboats. (I engage Emile)

I spoke to Emile, now that that's out of the way let me get to the main problem.

Well the problem is that recently there's been a string of encounters Core has had where we've been at the receiving ends of large K'Hara ganks. We're often met with large forces of uncloaking [ship type here] jumping right on top of us, or our ships get chased by multiple K'Hara ships.

Now, with the recent encounter just now, I didn't want to gank the bomber. I actually did want to give it a fair fight. However, showing sportsmanship to K'Hara is problematic because it can result in one of two outcomes:
A. We give the ship a fair fight, we don't focus on killing it quickly. The bulk of the K'Hara force soon arrives and ganks the crap out of out us.
B. We gank the lone K'hara that we see, in order to kill it quickly before the rest of the K'Hara force arrives. This results in us being bad people for ganking and the K'hara making posts such as the one I am responding to.

The problem is we just never know what you guys are going to do. Whilst I don't want to shift the blame onto them, cloaks make applying sportsmanship onto K'hara encounters very difficult because we don't know if we should gank to prevent the counter-gank being as big, or providing a fair fight to ensure happiness between both factions.

If you feel that we did overly gank then, then I am sorry. However, K'Hara has painted a portrait of themselves to us and therefore we act according to such.

If K'Hara do want fair fights, then we'll happily provide them provided K'Hara does the same.

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[Omi]

Okay guys. Some pretty disappointing fights from you.

With regards K'Hara| in particular, that cuts both ways.

Not that I was involved in the fight that's being discussed right now, but there's certainly a precedent for us getting ganked by K'Hara|, under a flimsy justification of "once you go past Iota, anything goes because it's the Nomad core worlds!!!"

Anyway, at least the picture might provide Lyth with some hard evidence to back up what he's saying. I ended up being chased and harried to death by a Nammu, a Wraith, an Adad, and a Marduk to boot in my lone bomber, once the one gunboat and JM|- thing had been cleaned up.

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[Vredes]

I've been playing on The Core for sometime and the thing that caught my attention was that we never fight fair fights. The ratio is always 2:3 or more for the opposite side. I have some nice screens of Order allying with Nomads to take down the Core vessels.

I have a record of all the Core fights I was in and I can say that we always fight on impossible odds. I dont see a problem with ganking a K'Hara player since they never fight unless they have twice the force the core has. If we see a lone K'Hara it is a golden opportunity.

[SnakeLancerHaven]

I've been playing on The Core for sometime and the thing that caught my attention was that we never fight fair fights. The ratio is always 2:3 or more for the opposite side. I have some nice screens of Order allying with Nomads to take down the Core vessels.

I have a record of all the Core fights I was in and I can say that we always fight on impossible odds. I dont see a problem with ganking a K'Hara player since they never fight unless they have twice the force the core has. If we see a lone K'Hara it is a golden opportunity.

Realy? 90% It's the Core though, where i get QQ's in PM. "Damn the Core appeared again ruined all the fun" is most of the messages again, also Mako, 2 Order Cruiser, 2 BHG GB and Order GB + some Snubs against 2 - 3 AI Cruiser and 1 Drone gg



I don't call this even, that's not even the full video though. But I have to be honest, like I said before those "Ganking reports" have indeed increased in 4.87, alot. Now, I don't know why we keep getting all the "//gg nice gank" ooRP, maybe it's the new players, but hell people I kinda want to clear this "Ganking" thing out... inRP a fair fight wouldn't make sense, stick to RP. However why I wrote this up here is because Lyth doing the same.

It's not just the others QQing about Core, but Lyth kinda goes all "nice gank" too most of the times even though he's doing it himself. So Lyth, stop whining about Gank and maybe "we" will stop getting pissed whenever Core shows up. Also consider these replies as Feedback thread, not to point fingers at each other.

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[Sath]

Hey there...we gank, we get ganked. We didn't complain about that. It was Connor who started that, and we had to prove him that Core is not the only one who gank. If you can only read the previous posts, fine.

[Lythrilux]

You're being a huge hypocrite Snake. I don't have to point out all the times Sentinels have ganked Core.
And that <PRIME> fight? Please, everything came progressively whereas <PRIME> had a constant force of 4 cruisers and 2 drones at the Freeport. You neatly picked off and ganked something as soon as you saw it (such as that Core Mako) without offering any sort of fair fights whatsoever. I'm not alone in that thinking, ask both Order| and Core|.

And for your information, I was on an Order| ship for that fight with <PRIME>.

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[Occam Razor]

How I understand it, the point here is not "Don't gank", but rather "Don't complain about ganks if you gank yourself", or something like that. Which makes way more sense, by the way.

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René Descartes

[SnakeLancerHaven]

You're being a huge hypocrite Snake. I don't have to point out all the times Sentinels have ganked Core.
And that <PRIME> fight? Please, everything came progressively whereas <PRIME> had a constant force of 4 cruisers and 2 drones at the Freeport. You neatly picked off and ganked something as soon as you saw it (such as that Core Mako) without offering any sort of fair fights whatsoever. I'm not alone in that thinking, ask both Order| and Core|.

And for your information, I was on an Order| ship for that fight with <PRIME>.

Wat, Sentinels? Dude weren't you the one that engaged one of our lone Drone in 1 Mako 2 Thersher and a Snub (that wasn't only once, happened more than once)? Your lies make this feedback even worse. "Without offering a fair fight" you guys were 2 factions united if not even a 3rd faction with superior fire power, yet you claim us ganked you? Oh pls Lyth, Sentinels never ganked Core, it was mostly the Core ganking Sentinels whenever they see one of em log, be honest in your feedback thread.

4 Cruisers? The 4th Cruiser logged like VERY late and that other drone too, so it was 3 Cruisers and a single Drone. You even see it on the vid! The 2nd Drone came very late after your makos and all those caps got destroyed.

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R.I.P Tabris...
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