[Mini-Event] - Gravitaional Anomaly Detected (Concluded)

[Skorak]

Right now it's really complicated though.

Situation: NC Caps and BAF Caps are fighting GRN. OC can ally with BAF. Now CR hops in and helps BAF against GRN. Suddenly it's not allowed anymore which makes things complicated. Both NC and CR won't shoot each other while BAF is there and they are in Bret.

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[Shiki]

Right now it's really complicated though.

Situation: NC Caps and BAF Caps are fighting GRN. OC can ally with BAF. Now CR hops in and helps BAF against GRN. Suddenly it's not allowed anymore which makes things complicated. Both NC and CR won't shoot each other while BAF is there and they are in Bret.

I think CR and OC would shoot each other and BAF will just try to distant away in this case. For example there was a situation when the Order have attacked Outcasts and BD just slowly flown away and disappered to not take a part in this. It was in Kusari so BD was the hosting side. I don't think that line of CR, OC and LN caps is making any sort of sense.

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[Shaggy]

Right now it's really complicated though.

Situation: NC Caps and BAF Caps are fighting GRN. OC can ally with BAF. Now CR hops in and helps BAF against GRN. Suddenly it's not allowed anymore which makes things complicated. Both NC and CR won't shoot each other while BAF is there and they are in Bret.

This is exactly what happened yestarday, the group was infact made by BAF| official with CR| being at the scene first. Now later on in the fight NC- arrived who also turned up to help defend the base from the Gallic forces which makes sense. The PoB's sent a comm out to everyone who dislikes the GRN to come and shoot them while defending the base, so NC arrived to do that. CR arrived because GRN are at war with CR and there has also been trouble there. But overall it is Bretonian space and BAF| lead the group so they invited both CR and NC to group to coordinate better as some people do not use teamspeak or discord and that is the only other effective way of coordinating.

There needs to be some rule about enemy forces being in the space group with the local house host such as Bretonian allying with CR and NC but in the same group to coordinate.

[Skorak]

Right now it's really complicated though.

Situation: NC Caps and BAF Caps are fighting GRN. OC can ally with BAF. Now CR hops in and helps BAF against GRN. Suddenly it's not allowed anymore which makes things complicated. Both NC and CR won't shoot each other while BAF is there and they are in Bret.

I think CR and OC would shoot each other and BAF will just try to distant away in this case. For example there was a situation when the Order have attacked Outcasts and BD just slowly flown away and disappered to not take a part in this. It was in Kusari so BD was the hosting side. I don't think that line of CR, OC and LN caps is making any sort of sense.

You really think that OC ships would stop fighting the GRN and assist BAF to cause a diplomatic incident and shoot the lesser enemy CR?

[Tutashkhia]

I would say, server rules and roleplay sometimes contradict each other. I mean, if it's Gallians fighting against BAF. Outcasts come and assist BAF (and it's fine inRP), then CR and LNS appears who are also allied with BAF and assists the BAF. In the end it shows that BAF, Outcasts, LNS, CR, Auxesia are all in the same group. Within their RP they can in Bretonia, but within their ID rules, they can't.

So far, I thought, there are two steps:

Step 1: If you violate an ID line, you get sanctioned.

Step 2: If you don't violate an ID line, but you violate the roleplay/lore you get warned/sanctioned.

In this case, step 1 was violated directly. In any sense, LNS. CR. Auxesia, Outcasts did violate their ID lines.

P.S I would add, and this, kinda sucks.

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Tutashkhia Reports

[Skorak]

So doing the same thing, just more uncomfortably, without using the group feature will make it possible...

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[Tutashkhia]

Look. I'm not against it. I don't get why the server rules complicate all of this so much. You got the point. If you keep your self out of the same group. LNS has their own group, Outcasts has their own and so on... you can simply avoid the ID violation. It is still provable (remember, I kept different group, but it still got proven that we were allying each other... back in 2014-15). So yes.

Edit: I mean, I've an experience in such kind, so take this as a friendly recommendation. Also take into account that even if you avoid being in the same group, but your alliance is obvious, you might still get caught. And if it's proven that you're allying each other, there is no point proving it that "Well, we have our RP in Bretonia and it lets us...". Server rule is server rule. And the ingame RP is RP.

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Tutashkhia Reports

[Shiki]

You really think that OC ships would stop fighting the GRN and assist BAF to cause a diplomatic incident and shoot the lesser enemy CR?

Since CR is the lesser side in this conflict, yes. CR is older enemy than GRN and I can't imagine the situation when Outcasts would line up with CR. There also were LNS and Auxesia, Auxesia is a type of faction that specifically wants to destroy cardamine trade and the Outcasts in general. And do you honestly think that Bretonia will want to turn it into an actual diplomatic conflict? Or you think that Bretonia is not aware about their relations. You are assuming that Bretonia will have to react, but it can be just ignored.

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[Shaggy]

So doing the same thing, just more uncomfortably, without using the group feature will make it possible...

But again this is where are ID's inRP or ooRP because clearly it is only there to provide you "Rules" for you're "Faction Roleplay" that is it

[Kauket]

In this case, step 1 was violated directly. In any sense, LNS. CR. Auxesia, Outcasts did violate their ID lines.

I'm not very aware, but seeing Outcast, Auxesia, LNS, BAF in the same group and shooting Nomads at the same time is somehow weird. Maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

Well, firstly, I left the group after talking in it before the engagement.
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Okay. No.

This should probably be discussed in another thread though, but, I see this is absurd, since they're all considered lawful entities in Bret. No one wants to break diplomacy there.

(Also some IDs dont even outright say they're hostile to x faction, some just say unlawfuls. Some IDs like ours are extendable, since quasi-lawful. )

I'd rather let the admins decide upon this, otherwise, enjoy the raids/artifact powertrading time