Corsair with a Question

[BeanzOnToast]

It's been said that Corsairs CAN escort artifact smugglers into NY. As long as it is fighter/bomber class, nothing heavier.

As for cease fire zone ... well if no one could see you shooting in it ...

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[Zig]

For the love of God, no, no Corsairs in Liberty. Please please please tell me the route you took didn't lead through Alaska at that, Vince, that'd make it doubly bad.

You didn't move through Alaska, did you? Right? Right?

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Luls:

Role-play is not the be all and end all.

[OldTimerAL]

You do not INITIATE combat within the no-fire zone around one of these bases. Thus, if you are a bounty hunter / corsair / whoever - and you're cruising by and you see someone undock from the bae - leave them alone.

You are free to CONTINUE combat within the no-fire zone if that combat began OUTSIDE the no-fire zone. Thus, you as a bounty hunter / Corsair / whoever start a combat with someone and you're 15K out from a base - and your target then flees towards the base - well, it's his choice to try to flee, and your choice to pursue. Feel free to engage him all the way up.

I second Agmenatwork on what he said about engagements near Freeport and Junker bases, and I actually believe that that's how it works in Omicron Delta near the Freeport.

As for the escort, I think that Corsairs should/and are be able to escort Artifact smugglers in and out of Liberty with anything smaller than a Gunboat (excluding the GB), as long as they don't have a whole fleet for one smuggler.

There is no damn reason for a Corsair to be in Liberty, escort or not! If you are taking the jump hole network, there is a tiny feasibility, although the route is so long winded it would be impractical for a Corsair escort fighter to accompany the trader.

Liberty is well out of the Corsair ZoI. Corsairs have been sanctioned for being in Liberty in the past.

Said Corsairs who have been sanctioned are idiots for being there with no RP reason whatsoever. And as Vince said the Artifacts are sold best in Liberty so that makes it an interest of the Corsair to deliver them there (be it tagged as Corsair or not).

For the love of God, no, no Corsairs in Liberty. Please please please tell me the route you took didn't lead through Alaska at that, Vince, that'd make it doubly bad.

You didn't move through Alaska, did you? Right? Right?

Now if I they told you where would be the fun of smuggling and evading the police hmm ?:P

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[Carlos_Benitez]

For the sake of easy reading, I'll set out relevant facts in a list;

• (In RP) The main source of income for the Corsairs is piracy, not smuggling. Smuggling is conducted, for the most part, by private agents.
  
• Corsairs have been known to carry Artefacts from the Omicrons to 2 bases only; Trafalgar Base in New London, and LL.Hawaii in Sigma-19.
  
• Artefacts transported into New York are done so by either private agents, Hogosha or Junkers.
  
• Artefacts are not a "corsair commodity". Unlike Cardimine for outcasts, artefacts are NOT our lifeblood. They can be found floating in space, and, according to the game itself, are transported more-often-than-not by other factions.
  
• NPC corsairs have NEVER been sighted in Liberty. The Corsairs have no interest in conquering liberty until they have finished conquering Bretonia and Rheinland, and do not conduct operations in the area. Corsairs have nothing but enemies in the region; no-one to do business with, and no-one to shelter them other than the Junkers at Rochester and Beaumont.
  
• If spotted in Liberty, the Corsairs would risk the Liberty government funding operations against them, and could well see increased defence of shipping in Bretonia, Rheinland, Omega and Sigmas, which would be a disaster for the nation. Liberty also has a habit of invading the home-territories of terrorists, and happily do so if motivated, with Rheinland and Bretonia's blessing. The Corsairs are capable of many things, but not capable of withstanding a full-on war with Liberty.
  
• Independent smugglers would much rather go undefended rather than draw attention to themselves by bringing along a Corsair ship. A Corsair ship would stick out like a saw thumb in Liberty...and if a smuggler where seen with a Corsair escort, they could very well lose business associates and buyers. (almost all of the liberty underground are anti-corsair. The rest are the cold-side of indifferent towards them.)
  
• Alaska is meant to be a secret system controlled by the Liberty Government. It is pretty ridiculous for a smuggler to go through nomad infested territory, Order territory, then a strictly classified and controlled Liberty Navy/LSF system past all their battleships and cruisers, through a strictly controlled jump gate through to a heavily monitored and patrolled no-fly zone surrounded by space-mines. It's even more ridiculous for a Corsair ship. -In fact, and I'm sorry to say it; it makes a complete mockery of the game.
  
• If a shipment was SO important (which, on occasion, I would accept)...Corsair pilots might escort, but they would keep their heads down, and certainly not fly the corsair flag; that means no Corsair tags, and use of Pirate rather than Corsair ships. They'd be far more likely to go in disguise rather than put themselves, the smuggler, and the nation at risk.
  

Despite the above, I'm informed that none of this is explicitly against server rules. Some people have told me that, if escorting, zone-of-influence rules no longer apply.
If it's true that artifact smuggling through Alaska to New York with Corsair escorts has the admin seal of approval, it's a sad day for roleplay in Liberty.
I appreciate it's the most profitable route available to Corsair-associated groups...but in my opinion, a high standard of role-play, and the diplomatic welfare of the Corsair nation should come before profit.
There have been rumours that in the next mod release, some of these issues will be resolved.

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[jammi]

No point in saying anything, except that what routes OTC or Corsair smugglers use is non of your bussines.

I'll take it that means you use Alaska then...

EDIT: And Carlos thank you so much or that post. It's stated all my feelings far better then I could have done. I simily hope .85 hurries up so that Artefacts go to the Hawaii instead...

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[Vince]

There are other ways into liberty as well Chaps. Alaska is not the only way.

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[Zig]

Uh, I know very well which routes OTC and many other Corsair smugglers use. Heh, you don't seriously think it's some sort of trade secret, do you? Doesn't make said route, namely via Alaska, any less OORP, though. Artifact trade through Alaska is absurd and shouldn't be encouraged - if Vince helped his OTC pal through Alaska rather than simply into Liberty, the degree of OORP would've been far greater.

Anyway, even so, though, there's never been and I doubt there will ever be a basis for a Corsair presence in Liberty. As a matter of fact, according to established canon, Corsairs don't smuggle Artifacts any further than the Hawaii anyway - the major Artifact movers in Liberty in vanilla were the Liberty Rogues. ('Course, we the LR don't actually move Artifacts these days, but hey, at least we have done so in the past, canonically speaking.)

I appreciate it's the most profitable route available to Corsair-associated groups...but in my opinion, a high standard of role-play, and the diplomatic welfare of the Corsair nation should come before profit.

Hear, hear.

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Luls:

Role-play is not the be all and end all.

[Reverend Del]

One thing that does not have and will not have our seal of approval, is the use of Alaska by ANYONE other than the LSF/LN and Order and possibly, just possibly, BHG. Other than that no one should be in Alaska, no smuggling.

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[BeanzOnToast]

For the sake of easy reading, I'll set out relevant facts in a list;

• (In RP) The main source of income for the Corsairs is piracy, not smuggling. Smuggling is conducted, for the most part, by private agents.
  
• Artefacts are not a "corsair commodity". Unlike Cardimine for outcasts, artefacts are NOT our lifeblood. They can be found floating in space, and, according to the game itself, are transported more-often-than-not by other factions.

As for this two. Artifacts are not Corsair commodity ? Excuse me ?


Think those 3 pics kinda say otherwise. Corsair economy is based on piracy and artifact trade/smuggling so please dont tell us that arties are not ours.

Corsairs have been known to carry Artefacts from the Omicrons to 2 bases only; Trafalgar Base in New London, and LL.Hawaii in Sigma-19.

What about Yanagi ?

If it's true that artifact smuggling through Alaska to New York with Corsair escorts has the admin seal of approval, it's a sad day for roleplay in Liberty.

You mean the "drop r dai" roleplay ? Chasing a train with cruiser all the way to Delta roleplay ? Or perhaps camping an "unknown" Rogue base in the badlands one ?

Honestly Rheinland and Bretonia are way more funny for a smuggler to go. Haven't smuggled through Kusari yet.

Now this topic isn't about a "fleet of morons in their gunboats" in Alaska. It's about a lone fighter or two protecting a transport and drawing LPI/LSF/LN attention off the transport itself.

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[Zig]

Odd. Bounty Hunters being permitted into Alaska? You sure about that, Del?

I'd always believed the NPC presence there was some sort of oversight being remedied in .85, like the Navy Defenders in Minor - after all, why would the Guild, basically a company like any other, be granted access to Liberty's best-kept secret? Aren't we civilians like any others, really?

Mason & Spencer stays strictly out of the area - we don't even go near the minefield.

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Luls:

Role-play is not the be all and end all.