Law enforcement and smugglers.

[Unseelie]

I'm a bit bothered by the assumption that large ships cannot land on a planet, because the docking ring cannot hold them. The size of a ship really shouldn't have anything to do with its capability to land, and please do not cite g forces....Acceleration and turning, in open space, would create more than enough G to tear any ship that could not stand reentry apart. If my Atrain can surf a star, it can certianly handle a planet. As such, I often treat the Mooring Fixture as if it were not there, as if my ship were simply entering the atmosphere for a secluded port, with all the support of my buyers, an organization that is selling many thousands of units of cardmine, and on a rather corrupt world (in the case of manhattan), I expect such a buyer to be able to divert any pursuit.

Just because the only way the game allows one to land is the mooring fixture, please don't assume thats the only way to land.

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[Unseelie]

Read around a bit about how docking rings work...their existence and purpose is fully explained...

Is it? Where?
Please support your point.

On that note, I'd always assumed that the Docking Rings were attached to sky elevators, which would be why they could only handle a certain amount of mass, and exclude large ships. Again, the suggestion that large ships cannot handle the atmosphere is ridiculous.

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[Klaw117]

I don't think this should have been sanctioned. I speed-dock all the time, but I actually do RP it by saying stuff like "Come on guys, get this stuff off the ship before the Navy impounds it!" and then "There goes my ship...I'd better hire a freelancer to get me back to (insert location here)." The only reason why smuggling is more fun than trading is because you get the thrill of being chased by lawfuls. If we're going to sanction landing on a lawful base to deliver our goods to the shady part of the population, then I might as well trash all my smugglers and make them traders.

EDIT: As for the mooring fixtures, I always figured that larger ships simply can't reach escape velocity without using up too much fuel, so they keep them in space to save some H-Fuel.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Reverend Del]

Let me give you the background on this sanction.

The trader had beens topped by the local law.

The trader had been told his punishment

Upon being told his punishment, he engaged cruise.

Upon engaging cruise he was fired upon.

Upon being fired upon he quickdocked with the lawful base.

Now you try doing that with the NPC's. This report had lines of RP, more than simply "Halt!", he knew full well the law wanted him and for what. He chose then to dock with a staion that in RP would and should have been hostile to him. Therefore it is out of roleplay.

This will not see na increase of sanctions, on the grounds that 90% of the time folks dock before the lawman has a chance to say his piece. As with all OORP sanctions there must be some RP for the violator to be out of. If the law hasn't been able to issue the alert., then there would have been no OORP docking. And before anyone mentions the fact you type rather than speak, assume the delay is your comm signal finding a node it can use to be relayed to the rest of the system

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Baltar]

Let me give you the background on this sanction.

The trader had beens topped by the local law.

The trader had been told his punishment

Upon being told his punishment, he engaged cruise.

Upon engaging cruise he was fired upon.

Upon being fired upon he quickdocked with the lawful base.

Now you try doing that with the NPC's. This report had lines of RP, more than simply "Halt!", he knew full well the law wanted him and for what. He chose then to dock with a staion that in RP would and should have been hostile to him. Therefore it is out of roleplay.

This will not see na increase of sanctions, on the grounds that 90% of the time folks dock before the lawman has a chance to say his piece. As with all OORP sanctions there must be some RP for the violator to be out of. If the law hasn't been able to issue the alert., then there would have been no OORP docking. And before anyone mentions the fact you type rather than speak, assume the delay is your comm signal finding a node it can use to be relayed to the rest of the system

Ok ...

#1 ... If you are ordered to halt by NPCs at Fort Bush and you enter the trade lane for Manhattan ... the NPCs at Manhattan are unaware you ran from the NPCs at Fort Bush. In other words ... Liberty NPCs don't go red with you throughout ALL of Liberty because you ran from a few NPCs at Fort Bush. But ... based on your explanation ... if I run from an LPI PC in Texas, I could be sanctioned for docking at Manhattan with contraband ... even if I outrun the guy in Texas.

#2 ... I do hope you treat traders quick-docking to avoid being pirated in the same way. Many times I've engaged a trader who quickly turned and docked on Yanagi or another base "I" am allied with. If I start posting violation reports for these traders ... will they receive the same sanction? Not to mention specific faction ID's docking on their enemy's stations to avoid my piracy (for example, Kruger docking with GMG's Naha base in Sigma 13 ... Rheinland and GMG are not friends).

[Dusty Lens]

#1 ... If you are ordered to halt by NPCs at Fort Bush and you enter the trade lane for Manhattan ... the NPCs at Manhattan are unaware you ran from the NPCs at Fort Bush. In other words ... Liberty NPCs don't go red with you throughout ALL of Liberty because you ran from a few NPCs at Fort Bush. But ... based on your explanation ... if I run from an LPI PC in Texas, I could be sanctioned for docking at Manhattan with contraband ... even if I outrun the guy in Texas.

Clutch those straws any tighter and you'll cut your hands.

#2 ... I do hope you treat traders quick-docking to avoid being pirated in the same way. Many times I've engaged a trader who quickly turned and docked on Yanagi or another base "I" am allied with. If I start posting violation reports for these traders ... will they receive the same sanction? Not to mention specific faction ID's docking on their enemy's stations to avoid my piracy (for example, Kruger docking with GMG's Naha base in Sigma 13 ... Rheinland and GMG are not friends).

If you're a Corsair and the person you're getting ur 2 milz plox from docks on a Junker base, well, that's a horse of a different color isn't it?

[Cellulanus]

I'm a bit bothered by the assumption that large ships cannot land on a planet, because the docking ring cannot hold them. The size of a ship really shouldn't have anything to do with its capability to land, and please do not cite g forces....Acceleration and turning, in open space, would create more than enough G to tear any ship that could not stand reentry apart. If my Atrain can surf a star, it can certianly handle a planet. As such, I often treat the Mooring Fixture as if it were not there, as if my ship were simply entering the atmosphere for a secluded port, with all the support of my buyers, an organization that is selling many thousands of units of cardmine, and on a rather corrupt world (in the case of manhattan), I expect such a buyer to be able to divert any pursuit.

Just because the only way the game allows one to land is the mooring fixture, please don't assume thats the only way to land.

Okay, you try to land on a planet using the Docking ring or atmospheric entry. Even if you did enter the atmosphere without the ring you would have to go very slowly to avoid burning up, giving the law plenty of time to dispatch atmospheric patrol craft to intercept.

[Chico]

Well, for my money (what it's worth), if he's on top of the dock, tough. He got away. If not, then there 'maybe' an RP case, but I'm not sure.
For example, if the police have to wait for a comms to find a transmission node, then so will the planets customs/excise forces.
It's easy to argue both ways. Especially when 'RP' is involved.
There are people who escape from the back of the police cruiser, the dock in court, work gangs, prisoner transports and even prison and integrate themselves straight back into a lawful society.
Whilst I can see the arguments for and against, this is going to open the 'possibility' for a lot more sanction reports. Now whether these end with a sanction or not I can't say, but, as has already been pointed out, some less scrupulous people will see this as a perfect oppurtunity to 'nail the one that got away'.
It's like re-engaging but with a bigger gun. An admin one.

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[Reverend Del]

This is no different from a Corsair docking on West Point when it should be hostile to him. In this instance the base should have been hostile to the base he docked on. It would have been had he been stopped by NPC's. To be noted he did dock on a base right next to the players that stopped him. So arguing that NPC's wouldn't have followed him there is moot.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[McNeo]

The trader had beens topped by the local law.

The trader had been told his punishment

Upon being told his punishment, he engaged cruise.

Upon engaging cruise he was fired upon.

Upon being fired upon he quickdocked with the lawful base.

Despite this, I still disagree with the punishment. If the local law (whether its Liberty, Bretonian, Rheinland, Kusari or both sides of the Hispanics within their home system) cannot enforce their law on the trader, then the trader should be able to land.

The reasoning that you'd have to enter the atmosphere slowly is a poor one. Have you seen the speeds at which the space shuttle enters Earth's atmosphere? And then, I can tell you now that the space shuttle doesnt have even an equivalent to the whale's armour of 75000, since one .50cal bullet will put a huge hole through one if it's in space. Also remember, that shields should be able to deflect heat and pressure, as you see sometimes in various sci-fi series.

But, say a Junker or Zoner comes to Crete with passengers. I tell him to halt for a scan, and then I tell him to drop the passengers. Instead of doing so, he engages cruise and docks with Crete.

Said trader would have been:

-stopped by the local law (assuming that Corsairs are the law in Omicron Gamma), fulfilling criteria one.
-been told his punishment, fulfilling criteria two.
-upon being told his punishment, engaging cruise, fulfilling criteria three.
-I would have fired on him, fulfilling criteria four.
-He would have quickdocked on Crete, fulfilling criteria five.

If I can sanction that trader for that using the broad OORP rule, then the rules are sadly very broken.

I dont like people doing it, I do think it is taking advantage, to an extent, of game mechanics.
However, I would much prefer this rather than having to watch for yet another unwritten rule.

Rulelancer this is not.
Freelancer this is.

EDIT: I also do not believe that this case is exactly the same as the case you describe here:

This is no different from a Corsair docking on West Point when it should be hostile to him. In this instance the base should have been hostile to the base he docked on. It would have been had he been stopped by NPC's. To be noted he did dock on a base right next to the players that stopped him. So arguing that NPC's wouldn't have followed him there is moot.