Corsair Osiris Refit

[Cosmos]

i agree Neo, having the Light Osiris is much better for further away combat Area's such as Omega 5 too omicron Eta just incase a fleet of OC's break through the new Corsair force within the cloud, in the case of the Legate, its big and bad it is a Defensive ship but in some cases Offensive aswell.. for instance the Nomads in Kappa/Delta,
to defend Yaren base in Delta from the Nom Nom's, the corsairs would send in their Largest Warship too hold off Enemy Battleships And Destroyers (Nomads/Bounty Hunters) and so i agree with Neo, that the 2 Battleships Are Used well and with the right parameters.

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[Jinx]

i really don t understand the fuss about it... i mean - really

the fact that the order gave a battleship to be produced by the corsairs forged one of the most controversial - but also one of the deepest alliances on disco. - the osiris is not only a ship - it is a testament of this very odd, but also very strong alliance - a symbol.

take it away - and the relationship might be as hearty as between the gaians and the corairs - who almost have nothing in common.

the order should be jolly well proud on having forged such an alliance - and the osiris is a little price to pay for it. - the corsairs in return should be glad to be with such an ally. - hardly ANY alliance in sirius has ever benefited so much from each other.

outcasts/hackers? outcast/hessians? whats that compared to what binds the corsairs and the order... its nothing but money or dependencies - ... between the order and the corsairs is more ... there is trust. ( well, up to a few days ago at least )

saying "don t buy that ship without a RP reason that we decide on" might be reasonable in terms of avoiding "too many" of a type - but is in that particular case a very sensitive case.

a corsairs flying an osiris is not just flying an allied battleship... he s openly affiliating himself to be very close to the order / corsair alliance.


i m all for leaving the osiris to be a ship for BOTH factions alike. - carrier, cruiser etc. are different - but the osiris is a ship that carries a lot more weight for both factions understanding.

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[Xing]

tell me why you cease too mention the Outcasts, Our the 'Corsairs' Main Enemy when they have 2 BS's then? considering what you're saying you insult you're allies aswell? and others.. say for instance ahem, the Lane hackers? no offense too the Hackers but... in which way would they need a BS? namely the Spyglass? which was (Correct me if im Wrong) one of the biggest BS's in the game, considering the Hackers arent a big pirate faction mainly running off Trade lanes for their profits?

now please explain why you're so biased towards the Corsairs and not the Outcasts or Factions which dont need Warships?
is it because TBH and the Corsairs Kicked you're SCRA out of the Sair Community? are you seeking Revenge for what has happend in the past?

Please Explain...

(May i also state that the Corsairs Have one of the Largest ZOI's in sirius equal if not Larger than some houses in fact? therefore i think 2 BS's is fine, its like having an Osiris on the Less Battle stood Ground, and a Legate in say the War zone.)

I will ignore whatever stuffs was written above, because I had to take the bus and didnt follow up...
My vision of the things is that, pirates should never have had battleships at all...

SCRA and corsairs, to be frank, I never liked this alliance. Corsairs shouldnt be allied to anyone but their allies from vanilla. (and as of corsair kicking us out of their alliance, I must say, I am most amused by this comment... lulz, if you think I'd go to something as lowly as that, you are truly insulting me. I don't take that too kindly.)

Also...
Corsair' ZOI also, means... nothing.
You are pirates. Pirates suspected of cannibalism...
Junkers have a near infinite ZoI, and I don't see them spawning a battleship anytime. Hopefully they won't. If they do, a billions facepalm wouldn't even be enough.

... for all I care, Order should have only one Osiris, namely, well, the Osiris.
OC shouldnt have a battleship at all, but now they have one, well they should only have one. Why do they have two?!

I mean, it's not like -I- put in the ships for this mod =_=

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[McNeo]

RE the options that Blunt outlined, I think I can speak for a lot of people in saying that we do not like number three as an option. In the same way that the LSF disliked having the Claw taken from them, we'd dislike the same happening to the Osiris. The difference here is that the Osiris really is written into Corsair history, especially that of the Brotherhood. Retcon would be good if I didnt care so much, but unfortunately I do.

Option 2 would be okay, but all thats really needed is an edit to the Osiris, rather than a drastically different model. A reskin, small parts added, different infocard and similar (but not the same) stats. Even so, this is more trouble than its worth. The use of the Osiris is hasnt been much of a problem until recently. The ship itself has played more of a part in shaping Corsair history than it has in Order history, SP notwithstanding.

Contrary to your line of thinking, I believe that option 1 is the best way to go. Less hassle, less bickering over stats, less problems in general. But I guess, if its not bickering over stats, its bickering over which allies can fly what ships:rolleyes:.

EDIT: Suspected of Canabalism? How do you know, in RP, the sacrifice that the Ventru family made for the good of the Corsair nation? I dont think that it should be information as well known as it is currently, since such information wouldnt be shared, simply because of the secrecy that the Corsairs have within their society.

EDIT2: I agree with Jinx, in a nutshell.

[Carlos_Benitez]

In RP, the Benitez "need" the Osiris because we don't believe we can RP having the resources to build, crew and run a Dreadnought.
(As my friend Enrico pointed out...Dreads are like flying cities with up to and perhaps over 500 crew).
We (like the Order back in 800 A.S) are a smaller "special ops" type organisation that would much rather have a smaller strategic vessel. We also believe passionately about the appropriate RP use of warships as opposed to RP unsustainable large fleets. We therefore have 1 Osiris which we believe we can crew with 70 people, which isn't too bad.

But, weather or not the Corsairs "need" 2 battleships is surely irrelevant.

This idea is mostly about aesthetics; making a Corsair Osiris look like it was built by corsairs and modified by corsairs, rather than rolling off an Order production line, and putting to rest concerns that Corsair Osirises are an abuse of Order ships.

Even if it's just a re texture, that's fine too. Making it look dirty and battle-scarred purely by texture would do the job, making the Osirises belonging to the Corsairs look much less pristine and Order-ish.
Afterall, Corsairs don't waste resources polishing our hulls like the LSF would have done with the Osiris prototype, and wouldn't wait for shiny chrome-ish metal to become available for a hull-panel-replacement when some brown Corsair gunmetal would do.
A re-texture also wouldn't reduce the build-quality of the model.
I'm not really bothered either way about battle-stats. RP, continuity and plausibility are my priorities.

((as an aside, I truly believe ANYONE who mentions "cannibalism" in-game when referring to the Corsairs should be santioned for OORP docking, as you've clearly been reading rumours that non-corsairs shouldn't have seen. There is also no proof that the testimony of that nutter in the Crete bar is true))

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[Xing]

... well, just like everyone babbling about Alaska, I guess.
tbh, it's just rumours passed from players to players I eventually learn. I'm not even sure if it's written in any infocard.

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[McNeo]

... well, just like everyone babbling about Alaska, I guess.
tbh, it's just rumours passed from players to players I eventually learn. I'm not even sure if it's written in any infocard.

Good point.

Its only written in one rumour which you can see on Crete, which is the main reason I said what I did. In RP, it shouldnt be widespread knowledge, but it is like Alaska in that respect. Something that cannot be changed; oh well.

Carlos' solution would be good, but im concerned. With all the streamlining that the mod is going through, reducing polycounts and texture sizes, duplicating a model which doesnt really need to be duplicated is a bit of a smack in the face for those trying to shave off some megabytes from the mod size. If it really becomes a problem, then it might be unavoidable, but still... it would serve only to make the mod unneccessarily bigger.

[Heartless]

Why not give the Corsairs a new BS based off of the designs of the Osiris and the other great stuff they have and leave the Osiris to the Order?

don't hate me please, just giving my .02$:)

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SwissScorch --> Heartless

[McNeo]

Or we could go the opposite way, where the Corsairs keep the Osiris and the Order modernise it or replace it with a newer battleship class vessel. A vessel such as that twin-cruiser fwd gun thing that Jinx made, or a Medium battleship to give it both staying power on the battlefield and mobility.

Since the Osiris has played a much larger role in Corsair history than Order history, that might be an option.

[Heartless]

eh'? No, the Osiris stays in the Order please. That new thing Jinx made would be like a superweapon type thing and only one or so would exist. Very limited, admin handed out ship.

Curious though, I don't see how the Osiris has played a bigger role in the Corsair history than it did in the Order history? The Osiris is the reason the Order won the nomad war and it's the reason humanity still exists in Sirius, there's no way I'll ever let the Osiris get taken away from us.

sorry:)

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SwissScorch --> Heartless