NCU

[Gforce]

i've been in the omicrons for a while with my cruiser. like an idiot i jumped straight in but the interesting thing is how people reacted, the corsairs didn't really mind and i was ordered by 2 order cap ships to stay in delta. i had the most problem with the BHG which is the last faction i thought i would have trouble with.

[Treewyrm]

Still, I highly suggest to define your diplomacy more fitting given how factions are related towards each other in this modification, as eventually you will run into numerous diplomatic and PvP issues unless you make it to reflect your origin faction, in this case Liberty Navy. You seem to be new around, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the environment before bringing something like that to the play in order to maintain the consistency across all levels of play. Join the various factions around to see things from various viewpoints, that will help you greatly to understand how your faction could be made fitting into this big puzzle and become a part of the larger picture, something that is all good factions around do. Like mentioned already - there are Zoners having neutrality, even that they have difficulties at times to maintain being dragged into various situations. But there is no faction that is allied to all human factions, it is simply too far fetching and unrealistic concept considering the way Freelancer universe is made and how Discovery continues it. No precedent exist nor the need, and quite the contrary. Just because some Corsair did not mind your presence for a single time it doesn't mean you'll get away with having the conflicting sides at the area on your ally list. Besides what do you say in response to my valid concerns as regards maintaining the delicate balance between the opposing factions in the area, which given the current concept model you attempt to bring it will break?

[Gforce]

who do you suggest we should be allied with then? i have been there for over a month and the BHG have been hostile to me for almost all encounters and as for the corsairs there has been only one encounter that was not friendly. i even docked my cruiser at yaren for most of the time with no trouble. the order on the other hand are all over the place, as i said 2 cap ships ordered me to stay within delta and others have told me to get out. i have had order and corsair ships help me patrol delta and kappa and get into lota. the way it seems to me is that i can't generalize the players of the factions, they all have acted differently. i can see now what your saying but i can't see a way to fix it unless i just dock at freeport 11 and avoid all players or just scrap the NCU thing which is not what i want to do.

[ophidian]

Ahem, the reason of that cruiser to be kept in Delta by Order and not getting transformed into scrap metal is because you cannot simply destroy a house capital ship and act as if nothing happened. There will be questions asked and other ships wandering around in our homeworlds.

We don't need the Liberty to "sniff" their noses into our territory with a brute force and that is why your cruiser was left alive there, with observations of course (We have reports of 903's movements at Order| message boards etc).

So basicly, it was a political decision, not of courtesy or friendship (RP wise I mean of course).

Therefore, it is rather "not fitting" to have a Liberty based organization, no matter what its purpose, to be friendly with the Order while the house itself is at the brick of war with us, the Order.

Also, I believe that Liberty is not so keen with Core, so BHG is also a bit out of the picture for you. Corsairs? They ignored you because of mutual respect to our protection and you, strangely, helped defending the Yaren base for the time being so they decided that for one time when 903 first showed around Delta.

So, the events were not a part of the overall diplomacy and moving by depending on those occassions may prove an unhealthy and unfitting factional structure, just as Treewyrm suggested, you cannot put all the eggs in your basket, some will get broken.

In Delta, your best bet can be Zoners and they usually don't get allied with people, they are neutral to all in means of fighting and bashing.

You can try to get into Iota as your agency but then LSF tries that from time to time anyway, and either The Order or Corsairs or BHG interfere with their operations since its like operating in the garden of someone else.

I cannot talk for Corsairs and so since there are far more experienced people here in Corsair diplomacy and so in RP terms, but in order to have your ships dockable on Order bases, its not your but your House Government who should act on diplomatic relations with the Order to get on a more... stable level, which takes time, effort and first of all, will of both sides and fit to RP situation.

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[Gforce]

ok, how about this:

Old Diplomacy:

The NCU will attempt to be friendly to all human forces, but this would not be possible for the reaction of Liberty being in the Omicrons would vary from pilot to pilot with some welcoming the new ships and others arming their weapons as soon as they were on radar.

Attempted allies: Any Human force.
Required allies: Corsairs, Order, BHG and Zoners
Enemies: Anything Nomad related

--The NCU will try to be friendly with all other human factions in the Omicrons but some factions are valued more than others. Currently: Order>Corsairs>BHG where the Order is most important.
--The NCU not interfere in the Order, Corsair-Bounty Hunter Guild war unless the safety of NCU or critical Order/Corsair ships is jeopardized.
--In case of a LSF-Order conflict in the Alaska system, the NCU will remain neutral unless ordered to attack Order units.
--In case of a Corsair-Outcast conflict that takes part in any of the systems in the NCU ZOI (Kappa and Delta), the NCU will remain neutral.
--In case of a full scale war between Human forces (whoever they might be) and Nomads or The Wild, the NCU will aid the human forces.
--The NCU will aid any human forces battling the Nomads/The Wild, if requested.
--The NCU will not interfere with smuggling of any kind.
--The NCU will defend itself if attacked by human forces.
--In case of a heavy attack on Liberty Systems, the NCU will return and aid Liberty Defenders if required.

New Diplomacy:

Allies: none
Enemies: all forces that show hostility towards the NCU or liberty, anything nomad related

how's that?

EDIT: and about that not killing me because 903 is a a cruiser, they knew i was alone with no backup from liberty, anyone or anything could have destroyed 903 without any retaliation from liberty.

[Treewyrm]

On a sidenote am I reading it right that you have a Liberty cruiser docked at Yaren? I am sorry, but you are pushing it way far. Freeport 11 is one base you could dock at, but Yaren? Do I even need to say that you have a ship docked at the enemy base essentially, something that your tag and your ID prohibits from doing so? Please, I seriously suggest that you read it you decide to act on your idea disregarding the limitations of the ID you have and the origin faction (IFF). Hold your horses for now, because if that's how things will be pushed I can predict a train wreck imminent.

[Robert.Fitzgerald]

The BHG| have been hostile to you because you have docked with Yaren in front of us, threatened to bombard Dabadoru (then docking with it), fleeing to Yaren again and talking to Corsairs as if you were best friends.

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[Gforce]

i now consider this topic dead, i was the only one fighting for it so you guys win, but i will still operate in the omicrons, weather it be under the liberty flag or no flag.

thanks for your help and support

[Linkus]

Diplomacy wise, try Zoner.
That includes trying to maintain the grey area between the groups so docking at their bases or helping them in ways that are detrimental to others. Simply because that will strain your relations with other groups.

Basically, it would be best just to avoid or stay away from the various groups in the Omicrons.


EDIT: Also, docking a Liberty Cruiser at a Corsair base could be considered OORP. I'd be careful doing that if you want to avoid a sanction.

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[Mr.Fabulous]

The Liberty Navy conducts experiments on Nomads.

What are you saying!? You think WE would EVER try to EXPERIMENT with those ugly beasts!? You think that the honorable LN would ever do such a thing!?
NO IT DOESN'T!!!
What you are proposing are mere speculations, rumors and gossips from pirate factions and the Rheinland Military.

YOUR COMING WITH ME BUDDY...

*comes along with three other LN officers, and takes Linkus from the debating... against his will... to an unknown place*

We'll teach YOU about using such language in front of us...

(//seriously though... we don't experiment with them... if you want to prove otherwise, PM me with some info then, so as I CAN ERA-- I MEAN... Verify your claims...)

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