The Rheinland Bomber

[marauder]

The reason some pirate groups use the 'civilian' line of ships is because their too poor to fund the development of their own ships.

Personally, since a bomber can mount two torp weapons, which include the nova cannon, inferno and the mini-razor I see no reason why it needs class 10 guns.

It does enough shield damage using the torp mount weapons, so class 8 guns are all it needs.

[Hawke]

I don't have a bomber yet. Neither do I have any capital ship, or gunboat.

I haven't worked that into the RP of any of my characters yet.

[JSM-Inc.] is a lawful trader group, and it uses all civilian class vessels. It is an "elite trading force" so it has some very high end hardware, but all of it is lawful.

Jack feels affinity with the Order, for their uncanny ability to see past the charades of the Nomads, and their no nonsense style. He equates those same sorts of character traits with being a good CEO. He respects the Zoners, for their independent nature. Another trait of all good CEOs. Jack is on neutral to friendly terms with all military and police forces. He is also neutral with nearly all non-pirate but unlawful factions, as there are often trade opportunities arising from some of these groups. Pirates better watch out, because Jack doesn't tolerate them.

Hawke (Michael StarMule) is a hot blooded young bounty hunter. His rich older brother keeps trying to give him ships and money, but he refuses, preferring to work his own way up through the ranks of the Bounty Hunters Guild. Jack even named his first Commerce Protection Services vessel with his younger brother's tag line. Michael refused to fly it, so Jack flies it himself.

It's easy to have fun/good RP with no bombers or CapShips. One of these days I want to work in some bigger ships, it is ridiculously easy to fund one, now that I have all of this infrastructure in place, but it's more fun to figure out the story first. :D

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[Zypher]

1. The RH bomber should be moved

2. The taiidan should be there UNTIL a pirate faction bomber has been produced

3. Definately every house, and possibly a general pirate bomber

I agree whole heartedly with the notion that the RH bomber is bad RP for criminals. I do/did fly one as a corsair until I learnt about the Taiidan bomber. I have now switched to the Taiidan (which is GMG, but we criminals need a bomber.)

Also, the taiidan is at a disadvantage to the RH, not just because of the power, turrets and hull; but because its like flying a big cardboard box. Bomber vs Bomber, its alot easy to hit the Taiidan with anything, unlike the RH. The extra manouverability helps it slightly but its still very un-even.

I agree with the manouverability problem with the bombers. Its far too easy to take out agile fighters with a bomber. They should be vulnerable to the quicker ships. However, there is a limit to how sluggish you can make them without it being ridiculus for something their size. To make them extra sluggish you would have to increase the size to make it more believeable, and then they just become another cap ship. One solution might be to make them have one torp hardpoint, but the power plant to handle it, unlike other fighters. That way it gives the cap ships a chance against one or two bombers. In my opinion, the hull amount should be reduced. The Taiidan hull seems enough to deal with a cap ship, especially with the armour add-on. This would give the fighters more of a chance.

[OrrinDymas]

Keep the rienland bomber in reinland, put in the guard system under lock and key.

Dumb down both bomber's handling, more so for the reinland one-to the point where a VHF walks all over it.

We should talk more about who gets a bomber and who doesn't. I initially posted that all the houses get one, but it can be thought of in a different way. Obviously the Reinlanders have one because they learned a difficult lesson from the Kusari 80 years ago. The Taidan, too bad we didn't make another house bomber instead of adding this one, but its a ready made model I'm guessing and was easy to add. The Taidan can be made a lighter/weaker type bomber for freelancers, pirates and terrorists.

The Kusari and Bretonians should be next on the bomber list-they are at war, and weapons development blossums during such times. A little story line about an arms race and espionage would be really cool. Liberty is safe and snug in the middle and doesnt need one.

Continuing the idea that such a powerful weapon requires extrordinary events to get developed: a war between Outcasts and Corsairs should be made to explain the development of their respective bombers. Remmember these two factions aren't pirates, they are exiled houses. They have large militaries and capital ships, its just they are off the grid.

[Korrd]

Yes. RH Bomber has nothing to do on Yaren. It's a RH Ship, It must be sold in RH space, and nowhere else.


The Taiidan could be moved to Yaren too... To fill the gap...


No. There should be no pirate bomber. House only.
Or maybe we make a pirate one, but a bit weaker...


What is the price of the RH bomber? I remember when it was around 20mill. That was when it was introduced. That was a good price for that ship, as it is way more powerful than a fighter.

And no. It's not "t3h uber" ship if the pilot is not *really* good. It's easy to defeat with a more maneuverable ship. The only thing you have to do is to dodge the novas enough time to destroy his hull.

For the sake of RH, don't nerf that ship any more. It's ok as it is now. Make it less maneuverable, and it will not be able to dodge the weapons of a battleship.

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[Lump Lorry]

At the very least, the RHB needs to be stuck on a Guard base somewhere. That way if someone wants to get one, they have to RP a little to get it. (ie taking missions and/or getting the proper faction tag) While we're at it... maybe all elite ships should be relegated to Guard stations. That way we would ALL have to follow proper RP... at least long enough to get the ship of our choice.

I agree :). The number of people that do not like RP (or do not care it) is increasing. Putting the Elite ships inside of guard bases would give a good incentive to, at least, acquire the correct tags.

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Lump Lorry
on behalf of the Lorry Family
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(Reunion 4.85 chars)
-- The new Lorry Family --
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[Revok]

*hugs his rheinland bomber*

black market goodies cause political mayhem among good guys who are tired of getting jumped by 3 pirates at once, next on the news at 6!

[caylith]

This doesn't have to do with people complaining about being jumped by 3 pirates in Omega 5. The RhB usage seems to have started a couple of weeks back. The complaining is coming from the shoot to 1/4 hull and then ask for money...but I digress.

It's not just you guys that are running to Yaren to buy this ship. If someone is red on your hud, 9 times outta 10 he's in a RhB. I don't fly one. In fact, I refuse to fly one. Most of those I fight are in fighters or trading vessels. Bombers should be used to attack capital ships and the occasional fighter/trader. That's my personal opinion, don't attack me for it. I also despise, with a passion, the use of Nova anti matter cannons and infernos on VHFs. Two shots and you're dead? that's stupid. Don't even get me started on that.

Anywho, it's too accessible on Yaren. It's a Rheinland ship and should stay in Rheinland.

Cay

[Revok]

you know i'd be a lot more understanding if you guys were also talking about the liberty and bretonia caps sitting around cambs and other areas all heavily equipped with pirate weapons. =/ sounds a bit one sided to me

[pchwang]

I don't and never will fly an RM Bomber again, its too sluggish for me...

But I think that its better to keep the RM bomber on yaren, and one in Rheinland.

Freelancer had this funky design to it...
Dagger on Buffalo??
CSV on Manhattan and not Rochester??
Liberty Cruiser on a planetform base?!?!?
RMbomber on a Corsair base?!?

The reason Digital Anvil did this is because they wanted the player to explore. They did not want the player to see a ship they want, and go to the most logical place to get the ship, and find it.

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