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Blodo · 09-02-2009, 04:58 AM,

What about Rogue smuggler Ashcroft then?

Klaw117 · (This post was last modified: 09-02-2009, 05:17 AM by Klaw117.)

' Wrote:Stick to the Status Quo.

*runs*

*Chases Eppy while wielding a baseball bat*
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' Wrote:What about Rogue smuggler Ashcroft then?

I think the Rogue-Hacker-Outcast Alliance is pretty new, signed around 811 or 812. Before that, the Rogues were pretty much neutral to both the Outcasts and the Corsairs. I voted no for making them neutral, but I'm starting to change my mind. I don't really see why the Rogues or the Hackers should be allied to the Outcasts. However, I know the Outcasts only wanted to ally with them for the expansion of the cardamine smuggling. Other than that, I think the Outcasts kind of dislike the Rogues and the Hackers. I know there was an old vanilla NPC rumor on the Rogue base in Cortez that an Outcast once shot a Rogue for nearly giving him away in space. The Outcast-Hacker relations are a bit better since the Outcasts like that the Hackers can hack the trade lanes to see what ships are coming and what they're carrying, which aids both the Hackers and the Outcasts in their pirating. However, the Outcasts feel they could do without this, meaning they don't really need the hacking skills of the Hackers. They usually just pirate whatever while the Hackers go after the wealthy, high-ranking ships.

Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

Dusty Lens · 09-02-2009, 05:38 AM,

I've long appreciated the idea of Rogues returning to their original roots, I could dare say vanilla, by operating as the largest pirate group in the core of Sirius. Namely: Not giving a toss who you are or where you come from if it ultimately profits them. Artifacts? Yeah fine great. Cardamine? Sure sure whatever. Slaves? Leave the pretty ones here and get the rest out of my pens.

Rogue diplomacy might receive a slight tweak in that case, but large changes, such as neutrality with Xenos, would remain on the level of player interaction I imagine.

Pinko · 09-02-2009, 06:30 AM,

' Wrote:Well... Its a difficult question.
I see no problem in LR taking artifacts from Junker bases and smuggling it onward. LR would smuggle their mother if they could profit from it imo.

But neutrality alliance with Corsairs, no way.
I dont want LIBERTY rogues in Corsair space on daily basis, they're too much of criminals and tension. Besides, OC would frown on that heavily.

As far as diplomacy go, i see Liberty Rogue groups as terrorist cells.
Like you have terrorist cells in... lets say England, you have more of them. Together they are terrorists of england, but they do not even have to work with each other, just get out of each other's way.
IMO every LR faction thats official or starting as young should have their own diplomacy chart.

m2c
As for Corsairs in liberty, I have nothing against corsair smuggler in liberty. Not pirate, not gunboat, but smuggler. Escorts are allright, in small numbers, but deffinatley no "MASS LANDING ON MANHATTAN LOL"

Soooo, you're saying YOU can enter LIBERTY, But LIBERTY rogues can't enter YOUR space?

Cheap man, cheap.

I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

tansytansey · 09-02-2009, 06:31 AM,

Deffinately. Rogues by in large aren't soldiers, they're pirates. There are also no Corsairs in Liberty, so I don't see a reason for the Liberty Rogues to be hostile to them.

Maybe with this we can also put a stop to the Outcast Cruiser/Gunship swarm running amok through Liberty as well.

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DarthCloakedGuy · 09-03-2009, 01:01 AM,

' Wrote:Rogue diplomacy might receive a slight tweak in that case, but large changes, such as neutrality with Xenos, would remain on the level of player interaction I imagine.

Err... why would Rogues be the only people aside from the Zoners and the Xenos themselves that the Xenos didn't hate with a blind wrath?

HISPANIANS, FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF HER PEOPLE
A Plea to the Outcasts (PG)
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SMUG~Eat.My.Exhaust = Jane Terraman and Bob McAdams, smugglers of the Liberty Rogues.
[H]Cj.Martino.Perez = Martino Perez, self-declared Counselor of the Hispanians.
AVATAR MADE BY SPIRIT! THE AWESOME.

tansytansey · 09-03-2009, 06:45 AM,

Rogues have always been enemies with Xenos. They're like rival gangs, and if there were to be a ceasefire between the two Liberty would get pretty boring. Corsairs and Xenos aren't allied either, so becoming neutral with Corsairs won't effect their stance with the Xenos.
Personally I like that the Liberty Rogues have a rival unlawful group.

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Ayem · 09-03-2009, 01:44 PM,

I can't see anything wrong with Rogues dealing in artifacts. Outcasts are on one side of Sirius, Corsairs on the other. Half a galaxy away in either direction. Rogues have the opportunity of a free market, a free black market. Anything from anywhere.

With this they have a great deal of power. In Liberty they can make things happen, things the Outcasts and Corsairs both need if they are to support their existing trade, or develop it as Cardamine/Artifact production and distribution rise and fall.

One thing I would not like to see is my fellow Outcasts threatening to launch a military invasion of Liberty to pull the Rogues into line. It's not necessary from a business perspective. A strong, Liberty Rogue-organised black market in Liberty is in the interest of Outcasts and Corsairs. An invasion, or unforgivable threats made against the Liberty Rogues could lead them to wonder why they help the Outcasts at all and push them closer to supporting Corsairs.

In short, Liberty Rogues have the advantage in Liberty, but a single commodity market is a fragile one. Cardamine, I would say, can't be the only thing that is sold.

teschy · (This post was last modified: 09-03-2009, 01:56 PM by teschy.)

The Liberty Rogues get their stuff either from Hudson, Bering, Cortez or Magellan. They work with the Junkers, Hackers, Outcasts and even the Unioners. They don't go any further, so they do not interact with the Corsairs. The Corsairs are a rather large criminal organization, that doesn't do trade. They rather let Junkers, Zoners or other Independents, buy their artifacts directly from Crete, in return for food rations.

On the other hand, they do keep a friendly relationship with the Outcasts, because they're obliged to. The Outcasts, aren't like the Corsairs. They smuggle, some of them bring the merchandise directly to Liberty themselves, through Bretonia. Of course, the Junkers are in the business too, and they smuggle them through Rheinland as well.

tansytansey · 09-03-2009, 02:06 PM,

' Wrote:One thing I would not like to see is my fellow Outcasts threatening to launch a military invasion of Liberty to pull the Rogues into line. It's not necessary from a business perspective. A strong, Liberty Rogue-organised black market in Liberty is in the interest of Outcasts and Corsairs. An invasion, or unforgivable threats made against the Liberty Rogues could lead them to wonder why they help the Outcasts at all and push them closer to supporting Corsairs.

They can try, but at the end of the day their closest base is in Bretonia, Newcastle. An invasion into hostile territory with a supply line that long against an enemy with home-ground advantage and allies is suicidal, even for the Outcasts fighting the Liberty Rogues. They can smash wave after wave of Battleships into the Badlands, but against the Barghest it's not going to be worth a whole lot. Also, if the Outcasts attack the Rogues, then the Cardamine market is shut down and Malta has to find a new market for it's drugs.

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