Football is a game too yet it spins more than few billion a year.
Moving from that, rules are there because of you. Not because of people that know to roleplay. Rules keep people from doing silly things.
I would never (playing a LR) want a spyglass or an corsair gunboat parked with me at Buffalo. Some people would. Some people do it for stats, some want to be "special".
Rules are mostly there to prevent people from being selfish pricks.
F1 still denies you roleplay, but at least you get to blow up the guy.
1.1. is like a holy grail of the rules. 0.0 is just for show ,)
*edit: good roleplaying games allow you blah blah?
Oh SRSLY?! Ok, lets name three awesome roleplaying games.
Baldur's gate(SoA). - Can you not be spawn of ball? No, you can deny it but you still are.
Fallout 2 - can you play a little girl? Nope? Such tragedy.
Morrowind? Kotor? Blade Runner? WTF TO THE OMG? NO? NO OPEN SANDBOX GAME?! THEY ALL SUCK.
It's very rare that any character I make doesn't have a very defined upbringing in the world of Freelancer. It gives their travels and their emotions weight.
My twin GMG pilots are the sons of a small-fish shipping company owner whose business went under when the Kusari-Bretonia embargo went into place. My Wilde is a Hessian turned Bounty Hunter turned infested bounty hunter, a victim of the Core's desire for nomad tech. My indy collector Junker is an errand boy who is devoutly loyal to his generations-old clan living on Trafalgar.
Not one of these is a stretch by any means and yet all are original, colorful characters that still manage to click into the fabric of their respective faction lore.
Trust me, it is possible to make a character within the rules and enjoy that character. Just because you've been scoffed because your cyborg assassin alien psychopath pirate got denied his Sarissa and Terrorist ID application doesn't mean that the admins have it in for you and want you to fit in a tiny box. It just means that your idea <strike>is most likely terrible</strike> needs refinement to fit in the world created here.
Guys it probably means the idea has already been seen and it's not so good, or it's most likely terrible. Now that's far from your fault, it's the fault of neglecting bit older books where characters were bit more developed.
Feel free to post a SRP here before you submit it to them I guess, we can fix it.:D
What Ivan said. Most people are happy to pitch in on character creation and development, particularly if their characters are going to have to interact with your character and there aren't any uncomfortable silences when their character is told they're talking to a 500 year old armadillo-person from the distant planet Kamoodoovood.
' Wrote:I'll quote another person from the bounty update thread:
This seems to be the attitude of a good deal of the people here (myself at one point). Notice the exact reason why Clayph doesn't play here?
I want to role play what I want.
That is not how role playing games work. You don't get to role play what you want. You role play your character within the rule set for the game.
If you can't deal with the fact that a role playing game doesn't give you the ability to role play what you want, the role playing isn't for you. The rules are in place to ensure fun and playability for all; not just you.
We are all here because we want to play something we can't be in RL. I doesn't matter if that game is Disco or WoW or EVE. We don't want to RP cleaner if we can be one in RL. No we want to RP something special and lot of new rules are just putting this roleplay on way that we become NPCs. There are propositions about that ID can't leave it's ZoI and it doesn't matter that you have special story or something. You are Gaian so you just can't go to Minor even if you had awesome RP about it. This is what I was talking about.
Usual things that got sent via SRP that I can guess.
"An outcast with a family revenge agenda"
"Ex corsair addicted to cardamine outcasted by both, swore revenge."
"Molly who has lost his wife"
"Guy who found a ship and now wants to kill"
[Insert any other story where there's lack of understanding what terrorist really is]
If I had to turn those ideas into something I'd actually submit...
Outcast that was one of the younger sons of one of current Don's. ( i would check with the outcast Don's to see if they would allow it)
At his 12 bday party the Don's house explodes, killing off all but the children who were in the nearby park. Oldest sister gathers them all, but they get caught.
Apparently not everyone has died, as the matter of fact, your favourite uncle seems to be on the other side of the video connection.
The bombers are yelling at him, and he's yelling back. Apparently the bomb squad didn't expect children to be at the children's party.
While the whole thing is going down, 4 kids are weeping in the room, still confused as the protagonist watches one of the bombers drag off his sister in the next room.
After few minutes screams can be heard. The bombers switch places as the torture continue, and after good 40 minutes there's barely a whimper left to be heard from that room, except from the gruntings and the laughs of the bombers.
Night falls over the Malta and stressed out from the events, bruises on his body and the lack of food protagonist falls asleep.
The bright red lights signal alarm, but protagonist does not remember being on the ship. Looking around the ship's cargo bay he figures they're in some sort of small freighter, and judging by the hole in the hull, they are being chased. Shield holds on and the air is stabilising. He recognises one of the bombers as he gets in the room to drag off the prisoners to another compartment. This one will blow up in few minutes. As he drags the Protagonist along the man whispers few words about how good his sister was. Protagonist is drained of will and any desire as he gets thrown in another compartment. Such is the "life". After 10 minutes the gunfire cannot be heard, and it seems that things are clear. Long trip is ahead of them and they barely got some food.
On the third day the food simply stopped coming in. Protagonist ate his friend on the 4th day. They agreed to eat the closest relative to that uncle. Kid was a prick anyway.
Within next week they arrived to Rochester and unloaded the kids. Kid was sold etc blah blah I'm getting this straight out of my head and could keep on going.
Basically, you see...
the events that happened to this guy, could make him either a nutjob so he has no issues with terrorist ID, or admins could simply send you to get any anti - outcast ID. But why should your story stop in hating outcasts. Why wouldn't this boy grow up to be just like a bomber? Why wouldn't he be in captivity for SO long that he actually got that sick syndrome and started to connect with his kidnappers.
I don't write much on forums since I really don't have much time (work and study) but I must add something here. Most people around don't really understand meaning of Role Play. It has very little to do with you writing name of your 17th gunner on system chat and then writing his transmission. It actually is very illogical to hear ship internal comms.
Rules are here to prevent you do things you wouldn't be able to do in real life either. I must agree that there are some "not so good" rules but they change from time to time. Most of them work perfectly.
I think somebody mentioned Molly in Minor is forbidden even with awesome RP. Well that's logical. You just have to look it like you are that guy. Imagine a soldier fighting war in Australia... Why would he want to go do Sweden? And how could he even get there? Fight his way through hoards of enemy soldiers and unknown soldiers? When you are in some situation and don't know how to respond just think you are really there and you can get killed any moment. Even when game mechanics fail you should not.
Let's say two bomber spot a Dreadnought flying. It's not very logical for them to attack it because it will probably launch wing of fighters and they will waste those bombers quickly.
So people just think like you are there and you will have wonderful RP time and when other people realize that rule 0.0. will kick in right away. If you shoot and it is only real choice at given situation then it's still very good RP. Same goes for talking, running, trading, etc.
Football/soccer is a game. without rules (or the even-handed enforcement of those rules) we get:
balls crossing the line and being disallowed: eng v ger 2010
hands touching ball into path of striker: eng v argentina 1984
ball NOT crossing the line and being given: eng v w.ger 1966
how much discussion has been given/will be given to these events? WHY?
because it is the implementation of the rules that are more important than the rules themselves.
for example: thou shalt not steal (unless you happen to be a multinational corporation)
thou shalt not pollute (unless you happen to be a government).
people dont really get offended by laws, only privilege (the word means 'private-law'). the get offended at inequality; 'well they can RP as terrorists, so i shall also'.
so, this is what i propose...
everyone who has/will post in this thread (you feel strongly enough to post) takes one of the rules, and finds an exemplary disciplinary thread, where the rule-breaker has q-q'd his way to oblivion and rage-quit or something,
and then we pin it in the 'Welcome to disco' subforum, so new peeps can read and say to themselves 'I pity da foo' in a reasonable facsimile of B. A. Baracus
there is no point creating a qq thread about the parlous state of discovery roleplay unless your willing to actually do something about it.
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