Bretonia stationary BS firepower

[Othman]

...This isn't just about bretonian stationary battleships, all of them are lethal. dodging at 400 m away from one of them just wont work...

Your theory sounds reasonable and if you are 400m away or near a stationed battleship, you are most probably a dead one soon.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[mjolnir]

ehm... I recall a fight with a GC Kusari gunboat closer than 400ms to the Nagumo in Kyushu two weeks ago.. and it hardly ever got hit by the BS.

Also if Razr and Desecrator can tell me how much damage did the Nagasaki do to them two days ago... I never saw it actually hit anything... and we were much closer than 400ms most of the time. I had the QCO Templar targeted.. and that one for sure didn't get any damage from the BS even though we flew around it.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[McNeo]

The technicalities of the percieved issue can be argued until the end of time, but I think my point stands. You go near a stationary battleship, and you die. There are differences in firepower and accuracy, as you say, but you put a player battleship next to a stationary one and the results are horendously bad for the latter.

Maybe the Kusari ones need a bump in power, but the others in my experience keep my finger on the nanobots button. Dont nerf their power unless you put those custom NPC battlerazor cannons on the NPC patrols. Then we'll really be in trouble.

[Othman]

Why would one want to go too close to a stationed battleship anyway? They have been boosted since they are meant to be that way.. Honestly I don't see any point in arguing about this.. Just avoid getting close to them and take your battles elsewhere, simple as that.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[jammi]

in my KNF character I spend most my time in Kyushu, around the Nagumo, I've only seen it in action against the BD NPCs that plauge the area. I suppose they're flying in Dragons though so they're farily weak. It shoots Sunfury looking things and takes the NPCs down fairly quick. It dosn't have any of those Razor looking things either only the small yellow energy things- the times I've hit it by accident I could just coast out of the area and wait for it to forgive me:P No real challenge.

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[mjolnir]

Why would one want to go too close to a stationed battleship anyway? They have been boosted since they are meant to be that way.. Honestly I don't see any point in arguing about this.. Just avoid getting close to them and take your battles elsewhere, simple as that.

Well it's not that simple at all.... when I jump with my Kusari bomber into Leeds trough the JG... in the second I regain control of the ship (out of animation), my shields are gone and hull is down to 50% due to the uber cannon on Derby..... If I do this in my chimaera I either die (like AoM) or lose 70%+ of my hull and CM dropper almost all the time. ...

On the other hand when I take the TLs to Leeds... I can kill BS + 2 Destroyer groups supported by 10+NPC fighters without using any Nanobots..... now you call this balanced?


EDIT:

Yes.. Bretonian ones have this uber razor like guns... and a gunboat can fly around a kusari one firing on him without being hit... because the normal guns are nowhere near as good.

EDIT2: Changed cruise to fly because that's what I meant

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[McNeo]

Well then, use the jump hole to Leeds.

you arent supposed to conduct an invasion through a jumpgate that is covered by a battleship, a station and destroyer patrols. It makes no sense. Work around your problem rather than trying to get it changed.

And sure, a GB can cruise around a Kusari stationary bs. But he isnt going to win any fights like that, so whats the point in making that comparison? Its invalid, because you cant fire in cruise.

I already conceded the point that Kusari stationary battleships probably need their power upped. But really, who in their right minds would jump through a passageway (hole or gate) knowing that there was a battleship on the other side. You dont wanna get shot, then you should avoid it. Theres more to fighting than guns and brute force. the other ke factor is subterfuge, and i doubt the BAF will cover all the jump holes with Battleships...

[Othman]

Well then, use the jump hole to Leeds.

you arent supposed to conduct an invasion through a jumpgate that is covered by a battleship, a station and destroyer patrols. It makes no sense. Work around your problem rather than trying to get it changed.

And sure, a GB can cruise around a Kusari stationary bs. But he isnt going to win any fights like that, so whats the point in making that comparison? Its invalid, because you cant fire in cruise.

I already conceded the point that Kusari stationary battleships probably need their power upped. But really, who in their right minds would jump through a passageway (hole or gate) knowing that there was a battleship on the other side. You dont wanna get shot, then you should avoid it. Theres more to fighting than guns and brute force. the other ke factor is subterfuge, and i doubt the BAF will cover all the jump holes with Battleships...

Signed.. Use an alternative route instead of mourning about it..

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[mjolnir]

@Off course I meant fly and not fly on cruise engines.


thanks for advice... I can figure that out myself... and it cannot be changed until 4.85


If you don't see a problem with a fighter getting killed before it can restore controls by a BS.. that is stationed some 1500ms away from the JG....


anyway to sum up my screaming in this thread:

- Bretonia stationary BS has much higher firepower than any other non-stationary/or stationary BS due to the single razor-like turret.

I see it as unbalanced.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[McNeo]

But you see, you made a normative statement. Maybe it is a factual statement to you, but they all have high power except the Kusari one.

I fly regularly past Rheinland battleships, which do shoot me. Last time I flew past one, I used 20 bots. No im not a retard, I was actually testing how accurate the Rheinland battleship was fireing at a falcata in cruise. I can safely say, pretty accurate.

The problem you defined isnt the one that is a problem here.

Its the Kusari ones being too weak.

EDIT: but yeah, I dont see the problem with you getting killed at 1500 m, because battleship cannons have a range of ~2k and those particular guns have a 1600 m/s speed. I dont see the problem with it at all. Adapt. Its what the human race did from being cavemen to the beings who control the fate of the world.

Imaging what a caveman thought when he saw his mate get killed by a lion. He thought "I with there was some way I could defeat that lion". Lo and behold, the spear or bow and arrow was invented. He didnt just give up and say he was hard done by god, did he?

pretty long winded analogy, but it works i guess.

Or a better analogy:

I cant cross a river when its guarded by a legion on the other side, so ill walk down this end of the river and wait until there's no one on the other side, then cross.