Phantom Thread

[Varyag]

What's so bad about Planet Diving? Soon People will complain about running away from a Fight or what? :l

I don't get why everyone is crying about that Slipstream or that other Ship. Vayrag is not the only one.

You can't eject when your ship is being consumed by the sun or the planet's atmosphere. It is a Q_Q move that is out OORP. Running would be completely in RP.

I actually don't care about the ship anymore. It was the crappy feeling about my most fun, second favorite character getting the shaft. It was the way it was handled. Also, there was no alternative to the issue. Just "buy a new one, we give you no alternative, don't do it and we fry you" aditude. The new versions of the ships are quite nice. I know there are handling issues with the RC but look at how many of those phantom guns you can stuff on it.

I still play Basilisk, but I get insta killed by missiles and mines. Funboats are my bane so flying a lone fighter in Liberty just doesn't pay off these days. The slippy, for all of its quirkiness, could get away from most of that.

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"I looked up and all I saw was green death"

[schlurbi]

You can't eject when your ship is being consumed by the sun or the planet's atmosphere. It is a Q_Q move that is out OORP. Running would be completely in RP.

Eject before entering the Atmosphere? Actually better than writing "Ejecting!" after you've died.

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"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"

[Huhuh]

Eject before entering the Atmosphere? Actually better than writing "Ejecting!" after you've died.

Phantoms need not eject, simply cackle maniacally as an attempt to claim some sort of psychological victory.

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[Dennis Jameson]

Well I'd say that this thread is important to diffuse the rather potent argument that the Phantoms are nothing but a remnant of the days of old which doesn't really fill a purpose anymore.

I haven't encountered a Phantom since that whole Gentle incident, so I cannot comment if what has been said in this thread reflects upon your ingame behavior, but I will choose to believe you and actually look forward to the next time I bump into one of your minions.

And that's all I have to say.

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[schlurbi]

Phantoms need not eject, simply cackle maniacally as an attempt to claim some sort of psychological victory.

Just want to say that: The Encounters that I had with Phantoms have been better than with Congress Junkers.

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"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"

[Huhuh]

Just want to say that: The Encounters that I had with Phantoms have been better than with Congress Junkers.

Depends on who you meet I guess. Why this is relevant I don't know.

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[Virus]

Point 1:

You took my damn slippy. Yup! That beautiful little 6 gunner monstrosity that I would pirate in. You took it, decided it wasn't 1337 enough then boosted the heck out of it.

I suppose.... Although, you might want to keep in mind that it actually has a hitbox now unlike before. And we can't use it very well because we don't even have class 7 guns to mount on it. (development oversight or what)

I would like so say though, that it is true that it probably was handled rather poorly but those were the days of Hoodlum being Supreme Commander of the Admin Forces. (And honestly, it is true they were supposedly added to be Phantom ships originally but lost that somewhere along the way.)

Also, the Raven Claw/Shadow is a real pain to fly. Which is why I fly the Sabre. Shadow is too wonky.

Point 2:

Use of phantoms as server police.

Fighters with bomber power cores because someone Q_Q'd about a cap swarm. I know an admin got a slap on the wrist for it... but fighters with bomber power cores.

Can we beat a dead horse any more? I already apologized for that and hind sight realize how painfully obviously stupid of a course of action it was. So can we put it to rest already?

Point 3:

General attitude of some players.

I have had, over the course of the years. the following happen with phantoms,

Q_Qing over private coms about fights. For a long time.

Planet/Sun Diving because they were about to die

Snide remarks

Q_Qing when I wouldn't join them as unlawfulls in a fight. (granted they were getting uber ganked)

I have been jumped 3 on 1 at gates by them. But Q_Qing about phantom gank would be just silly considering what they have to deal with every time they go out. Then again, they have the mighty slipstream. You can get out of anything in a slippy. Ask me how I know.

Poor attitudes I would very much like to hear about if I were still leading the group. Q_Qing about fights is basically banned entirely in the faction.

Anyone who sun dives should be put on a short leash.

Snide remarks are to be expected, since Phantom characters feel they are "better" than you, most of the time. That said, if the snide remarks are OORP....same as above.

And.... Q_Qing in character is understandable in a situation like that. Q_Qing out of character is not.

Being jumped 3->1 is going to happen, unfortunately. But it'll happen with any faction that decides to go out as a group. (I'm sure you've been jumped by three members of a house military or three bounty hunters, or three pirates at least sometime before.)

Basically, some of what you've mentioned are legitimate complaints. I would like to see some SSsof this stuff going down if it ever happens again. Sun-diving, poor attitudes, Q_Qing, etc, etc.







@ Jameson: I would like to see one thing from the Outcasts, though. I know it was confusing and frustrating me when I was leading the Phantoms and if BaconSoda cares at all it might bother him.... Can you come up with a way to respond to us that is... at least somewhat consistent? One day we're welcomed as heroes and dock on Malta no problems. The next day when we launch we get fired on for desecrating Outcast lands.... or something. One kind of diplomacy so Phantom dudes know what to do would be nice and less confusing.

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Into the Maelstrom - A Measure of Salvation - Reaver Company Database

[schlurbi]

Depends on who you meet I guess. Why this is relevant I don't know.

Because you are complaining the whole Time without looking at your own Fingers.

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"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"

[Huhuh]

Because you are complaining the whole Time without looking at your own Fingers.

*Looks through thread* Nope.avi

I'm not the entire Congress. So don't Q_Q to me, Q_Q in the faction feedback.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...p;#entry1027555
Post 8, 9 and small part of 10, during my second or third month on the server. All that is in green is from me.
I can RP.


Now on with the topic, it's rather productive.

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[Maximo Valeri]

Now on with the topic, it's rather productive.

To be honest.

No, it is not productive at all. It's the same damn old argument we have read since page five on the Phantom Feedback thread and heard a million times before. And before you go ahead and say that might indicate that there is an actual problem, no it doesn't necessarily mean that. It might just mean that a minority of people like to bash them since they are either jealous, have a personal grudge or simply wants to grind on something for the day. Senseless bickering about the same damn trivial crap - year after year - it's getting really tiring. I could understand this coming from a psychopathic person such as Karlotta who has deep attachment issues with Discovery, but the rest of you, I don't know what your problem really is.

- "You got too much freedom."

Hence heavy restriction on membership quantity and that you have to pass a lot requirements to be accepted. No, not a gentleman's club as you want so dearly to assume, it is actually an attempt to restrict just that, the amount of freedom they get. And they have an open recruitment thread. You just gotta pass it, that's where the restrictionmitation kicks in.

- "You killed me / won a fight / didn't Role-Play the situation like I wanted to."

First one: Deal with it, space is dangerous.
Second one: Learn to accept a defeat and be the bigger man.
Third one: Role-Play is not about what you want the situation to develop into, it's about actions and consequences. Perhaps you performed an action that lead to a certain consequence performed by the other party? Accept it. Role-Play ain't linear and it certainly isn't supposed to be one-sided.

- "Your Role-Play history/background/setup is out-dated compared to the current standards."

Oh yeah? Have you even looked at their stories or RP lately? They have restructured their whole write-up as well as setting up a transparent thread that links to every single character they got. As time changes, a faction can as well. Just because it was from the beginning set-up based on the old versions which carried less Role-Play standards, doesn't mean it's automatically bad now. Especially when they have restructured everything. But more importantly, how the hell is that a justification to REMOVE a whole faction?

- "Trivial arguments"

Perfect example: Something a dude did one year ago that cost him a whole month of adminship removal and continued surveillance of his adminship behaviour as well as repercussions made on the players that participated in said event. ONE YEAR AGO. You frickin' kidding me? To bring something up that happened ONE YEAR AGO?

Finally:

I'm not in the Phantoms.
I have been killed by them several times.
They have attacked my Fighter in a Gunboat, in a Cruiser, in a Battleship.
They have aided criminals to outnumber me.

But I don't whine. And so shouldn't you and maybe they can focus on some real problems instead.

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In-before "Stargoose", a.k.a. Karlotta, a.k.a. Half the alternative accounts that spam the Phantom Feedback thread with stupid personal grudge based complaints, start quoting my text and bringing forth biased arguments which are only constructed to be against anything positive about the Phantoms.