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Offline Dab
01-19-2011, 11:48 AM,
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' Wrote:What does owning the company actually do for you?

Forgive me if the info is in the links, I just can't be bothered reading them atm.
I'll answer that when you can be bothered.

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Offline Huhuh
01-19-2011, 12:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-19-2011, 12:28 PM by Huhuh.)
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' Wrote:I'll answer that when you can be bothered.

Read them, still nothing. Can you please enlighten me?

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Offline DdM2505
01-20-2011, 08:39 PM,
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Whatever, just do whatever you like and don't let someone hold you back.

In my personal opinion I really don't care who owns what as long as I can do my thing it's all good.

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Offline Dab
01-24-2011, 11:00 AM,
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Clients and Recent Announcements pages updated. VPT and CEO pages under Our Staff also updated.

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Offline Dab
02-09-2011, 07:59 AM,
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Contact Us form (massively) updated.

Our Company page updated.

CTO page under Our Staff updated.

Shipping Vessels page created.

Products & Services page updated.

Exhibitions and Sales page updated (but no current events planned).

The site is pretty much done except for a few pages under Our Staff, the Goals & plans page under Financial Reports, and the Testimonials page (which may not remain).

You will also start seeing me in-game with the tag DM| and the ship names found in teh Shipping Vessels page. (Except the Detroit Diamond.)

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Offline Dusty Lens
02-10-2011, 07:53 PM,
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One of the facets of how persons perceive and interact with the game environment that irritates me to no end is the absurd lack of gravity lent to the true worth of things.

The IND is a good culprit, as they're involved in the examples I'd care to cite. The acquisition of the freaking lpi for a handful of millions, a company which should have a overwhelming share price in the cost of the tens of trillions, the acquisition of Renzu, again a company which was acquired for mere pocketchange, and now the facility of Detroit Munitions and control over the manufacture/distribution of one of Liberty's premier crafter of civilian and military hardware? For the cost of a bagfull of codes?

It's absurd. At that rate any dipstick who wanted to sell his half dozen battleturds could buy half of Bretonia. The Reavers could have bought out every base in Omega 3 and 7 and had change left over to swing by and grab a cup of Riverside station.

If the deal were presented as, say, limited access rights to Ageira weapon schematics and production facilities on Detroit which you leased for a period of 5 years for the price of 800 million I would nod my head and go "ah ah, jolly good. Way to turn your millions into more millions. Yeye."

But rather you bought the base (say what you will as to not owning the physical structure, the point is changed not an iota) for a fund which doesn't begin to fall short of trololo, in addition to the rapid application of political and industrial muscle which you're suggesting goes with it. I don't think the money you provided could even cover the cost of bribing officials to allow the rights of use, let alone the licensing rights.

It defies belief.
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Offline Rodent
02-10-2011, 08:08 PM,
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I think it can be put down to a lack of proper measurement of the Freelancer economy Dusty. If it was properly quantified by an authority we can all trust in without Q_Qing, then we can actually build those RPs...

Currently, we're mostly operating by RL Business values, seemingly.
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Offline Dab
02-10-2011, 08:09 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-10-2011, 08:11 PM by Dab.)
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You've got several things wrong there Dusty. Last one first, as it's the shortest and easiest to answer;

Despite you telling me not to say I don't own the physical structure, I'm going to say it anywhere. Ageira Technologies is the owner of that station and I have absolutely no control over any part of it not directly related to our products (weapon assembly lines and research bays). In-game I have no control of it, in-RP I have no control of it. If our partnership with Ageira were canceled, we would not have any influence in the future of that station.

Furthermore, I did not buy the company and all its stuff. I bought the CEO position from the former CEO. I bought stocks. I do not own every asset belonging to Detroit Munitions. If you read the financial reports section of the site, you will see the stocks altogether were worth just under ten thousand credits a piece, (100,000 x 10,000 = 1,000,000,000) when you take the number of stocks total and the price paid by IND/my char.

My character does not get to claim the company's assets as her own. Also in the financial reports section, you will see our total net worth is many times that figure, and that is the true cost to purchase the company and everything it owns as oneself. Something my character did not do. People buying their way into upper positions of a company is nothing new.

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Offline Dusty Lens
02-10-2011, 08:33 PM,
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' Wrote:You've got several things wrong there Dusty. Last one first, as it's the shortest and easiest to answer;

Despite you telling me not to say I don't own the physical structure, I'm going to say it anywhere. Ageira Technologies is the owner of that station and I have absolutely no control over any part of it not directly related to our products (weapon assembly lines and research bays). In-game I have no control of it, in-RP I have no control of it. If our partnership with Ageira were canceled, we would not have any influence in the future of that station.

Furthermore, I did not buy the company and all its stuff. I bought the CEO position from the former CEO. I bought stocks. I do not own every asset belonging to Detroit Munitions. If you read the financial reports section of the site, you will see the stocks altogether were worth just under ten thousand credits a piece, (100,000 x 10,000 = 1,000,000,000) when you take the number of stocks total and the price paid by IND/my char.

My character does not get to claim the company's assets as her own. Also in the financial reports section, you will see our total net worth is many times that figure, and that is the true cost to purchase the company and everything it owns as oneself. Something my character did not do. People buying their way into upper positions of a company is nothing new.

Dab, I told you to say what you will about owning the strucutre, never a word about requesting you not mention it.

That's very clearly stated.

You can do better and there's no need for you to pop a squat like that. I'm sure if I got many things wrong you could address 1-2 of my points rather than going after something which you misquote and manufacture.

I don't give two damns about the physical body of the station, moreso the idea of what it represents and what product it shats out. Specifically the implied value of those products, licensing and rights to the same.

My position was that buying out ownership/control of the facility and the ownership/control over the material/political worth it represents for such a pathetic fee is laughable. That is the core of my derision. The sum you offer up of a billion credits as the worth of all that is exactly the sort of thing that makes me shoot cognac right out my sniffer.

Quote:My character does not get to claim the company's assets as her own. Also in the financial reports section, you will see our total net worth is many times that figure, and that is the true cost to purchase the company and everything it owns as oneself. Something my character did not do. People buying their way into upper positions of a company is nothing new.

This is where everything starts to fall apart, where the paint starts getting mixed. I'd find it lovely if maybe you could state the actualities of things rather than expressing what you perceive as how they aren't.

So this is what I'd like you to do.

A) State the total worth of the Detroit Munitions company.
B) How that compares to the stated worth of stocks.
C) What holding a majority shareholding of stocks means.
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Offline Dusty Lens
02-10-2011, 08:45 PM,
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Just to say: I don't object to this kinda roleplay in the slightest. I think it's far superior to an opportunity laying forgotten and squandered when someone would just as soon pick it up and have fun.

I simply get rankled over the absurdity in economics. It's basically the argument of a biodome feeding Crete in stock form.
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