GRN feedback thread

[Loken]

I actually don't see what the problem is here. Your feedback seems an awful lot like: "Gallia! Stop doing things!"

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[Dab]

I actually don't see what the problem is here. Your feedback seems an awful lot like: "Gallia! Stop doing things!"

I know, right? It's rather silly. We encounter this ingame too, where people try to crash our events.

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[Doc Holliday]

Lore says we fight through Orkney to Lewis to Edinburgh, while also fighting through Orkney to Tau-23 to Tau-31, both happening at the same time. This is why Lewis is a GRN-controlled system in .86.

So we're going the right direction.

And nowhere did it mention going into Dublin...but GRN did. Pushing the envelope are we?

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[MFE]Med Force One | Tales of Recovery|Med Force Enterprises

[Govedo13]

activity_GRN.html 02:33:42
I guess you need to talk with CCCP or recruit more people because 2 hours activity is bad.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Dab]

Yes, we're in hibernation. We have very different timezones from KNF, and we've been told we aren't allowed to fight BAF, and there really isn't much else to do that we haven't already done a million times. Waiting on .86 like most factions are, and I'm working heavily on my work for said .86 so that it is ready in time.

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[Skullz]

In relation to this

There is also a registry for Junkers loyal to Gallia. Registering for it is required for a Junker, should he or she wish the right to enter or trade in Gallia. You have not registered for that listing. Junkers who are not registered are not considered Gallic

The Laws Of Gallia post does not recognise that fact.

Also, are you really saying that those who wish to roleplay a Gallic Junker ID'd character must register, or be considered a Sirian Junker? If so that is like saying That all LSF players must register there characters with the [LN], or all Rheinland Police players must register there characters with [RM] My point is that you are purposely showing intent by it that you want to restrict other players roleplay, that is already given by the ID. I find this very demeaning towards the spirit of what the game is. The ID shows who the character is.

My point is you are saying the ID does not say who you are, but who you are not. I find that very troubling and saddening.

Lastly, I have lost all respect for your character Dab, as well as the Blois character. Why, because neither knows what apologetic is or what it means. It is a mannerism that is respected especially by noble classes. As you obviously disregard this part of mannerism, and part of the english language. Even after its been explained to you.

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[Dab]

In relation to this
The Laws Of Gallia post does not recognise that fact.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86530

Also, are you really saying that those who wish to roleplay a Gallic Junker ID'd character must register, or be considered a Sirian Junker?

Yup.

If so that is like saying That all LSF players must register there characters with the [LN], or all Rheinland Police players must register there characters with [RM]

Actually, it's nothing like either example. Rheinland Police are the law-enforcing government agency of Rheinland. LSF are the security and intelligence force of Liberty. Junkers are not a law enforcement or security or intelligence agency of anything. They are free agents in a very decentralized collection of like-minded individuals whose membership includes Gallic Junkers, as well as Sirian Junkers that come from all four houses.

You are not agents of our government, or our royalty, as the lore clearly states. And we're full within the law to prevent the entrance into Gallia by Junkers who are not loyal to the Crown. In order to enforce this, we have a registry where those who are loyal can say so. This gives our pilots a clear list of what Junkers can or cannot enter, so that Gallic Junkers are not needlessly harassed by police or navy personnel when traveling inside Gallia's border.

My point is that you are purposely showing intent by it that you want to restrict other players roleplay, that is already given by the ID.

Unfortunately, it is not given by the ID in .85. Junker ID is only that; Junker. It does not indicate a Junker's loyalties or place of origin. As such, we have to create a method in which to allow Junkers to tell us if they are loyal Gallics, so that we can treat them as Gallics.

I find this very demeaning towards the spirit of what the game is. The ID shows who the character is.

Again; It does not. It's like saying the Mercenary ID tells you the character is a loyal Gallic. It's an absurd notion. Not all Junkers are Gallic. Not all Junkers are Rheinlanders. Not all Junkers knew of the leadership of the Junkers having been paid by the Crown to transfer information to them. This is all very clearly presented in the lore for Gallia, please go ready the storyline releases for .85 and the infocards and rumors in-game.

Lastly, I have lost all respect for your character Dab, as well as the Blois character. Why, because neither knows what apologetic is or what it means. It is a mannerism that is respected especially by noble classes. As you obviously disregard this part of mannerism, and part of the english language. Even after its been explained to you.

We know what apologetic means, and your character has been anything but that. Your character has been repeatedly insultive towards both Blois, my character, and the ONI Directeur. We gave you several warnings that further insults wouldn't be tolerated, and you answered that warning with further insults. Clear insults. It's the same behavior that sunk the negotiations with Freeport 10. It also sunk your attempt at the OS&C Summit. You've gotten repeated feedback about your attitude and your behavior. Not your characters' behavior, but your personal behavior. It's repellent, it's offensive, and you bring it into your roleplay and then complain when it gets you in trouble, in roleplay.

To be perfectly clear, here are the laws your character has broken;

4.4 Theft, described by the taking of Gallic goods without payment, or when not in possession of a legal trade permit for those goods, is subject to immediate destruction of the vessel if the stolen goods are not immediately handed over to Gallic Officials. The thief is subject to additional fines, or a death sentence if he/she refuses to hand over the stolen goods.

(GSC vessel was carrying Tobacco when not registered on the Junker board, nor for a commerce permit, and refused to drop the cargo when demanded by GRN and GRP forces. This happened repeatedly. You should know, you were there.)

5.1 All persons within Gallic space are required to behave in a polite and civil manner towards all other persons.

5.2 Insulting agents of the Crown will result in punishments of monetary fines, to destruction of the offender'€™s vessel if it is a repeat occurrence.

5.3 Insulting remarks about any members of His Majesty'€™s family or other royalty will result in the offender'€™s immediate execution.

(You repeatedly insulted a GRN and an ONI character in transmissions. You were warned to cease doing so or face consequences. You continued to do so. You also insulted the Princess repeatedly, which was grounds for immediate execution.)

Lastly, on your claim that Junkers are exempt from the trade laws, you are again mistaken.

3.1 The import of Sirian equipment into Gallic space is restricted without the proper permits being issued from Gallic Officials.

3.1.1 Gallic Junkers are allowed to import Sirian equipment without prior licensing.

Note the wording. First off, this is section 3, not 2, which covers ship and equipment laws, not commodity and trade laws. Second, it specifically names equipment as open to importation by Junkers without needing a permit. Not commodities. Equipment is the stuff you put on ships.



You broke (several) laws, and we responded with in-roleplay punishments for your character.

There is nothing further to discuss on that.

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[Veygaar]

Equipment/Commodities.

Not certain but I suspect that it was meant as both in the case of 3.1/3.1.1

But I'm no Gallic pro so meh...

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[Dab]

Equipment/Commodities.

Not certain but I suspect that it was meant as both in the case of 3.1/3.1.1

But I'm no Gallic pro so meh...

I don't think that argument works when you're directing it towards one of the two people who wrote the laws. We know what we meant, and if we meant commodities, we would've written commodities. It's clearly marked as equipment, in the Ships and Equipment section, which was intentionally kept fully separate from the commodity section of the laws. If 3.1 and 3.1.1 covered equipment and commodities, we'd have just added it to the end of the commodity section, and not given it its own.

I'm perfectly fine with working with Junker players that want to roleplay Gallic ones. We need more of them. I gave Skullz a chance when he started roleplaying this GSC group. However, since he started, he has broken the law repeatedly. He is the only Junker claiming to be Gallic that is having these problems with GRN and the crown. Obvious, given that he is the only one having these problems, there is something wrong that he is doing that the others are not.

Now, I gave the option of arrest or exile of that character. He can roleplay that character going into exile, hell, even commanding GSC from exile, secretly, while another character acts as the "legal face" of the GSC, and GSC's right to trade in Gallia (after it registers) will be re-permitted. It's his choice, and he can make GSC work. But we aren't going to contradict our own lore just to make his work.

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[jammi]

You guys have been consistently working underneath the activity threshold for the last couple of months now. You're going to get a warning for Christmas if you don't do something about it. If you've got extended ZoI into the Taus, you might as well use it. I mean, bring some Valors to '31. I'd love to get some practice fighting them in the next 6 days or so. Could have some nice cap/fleet brawls with the 23rd.

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