Troubles in Leeds...

[AeternusDoleo]

:lol:That... can be explained in so many bad ways... :lol:

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[Markus_Janus]

You dirty dirty man.:nono:

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[Lunaphase]

Violation of id. Nowhere does the kusari law codex reference the taus. Pineal amulets are not helping bretonian war industry. Thus no laws broken by the zoner. Counts as piracy by the KNF.

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[escopton]

Does not matter. Even if he shipped scrubbies to Harris. Leave us alone dudes, we have juggys. We speak Nomadish.

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[Markus_Janus]

Violation of id. Nowhere does the kusari law codex reference the taus. Pineal amulets are not helping bretonian war industry. Thus no laws broken by the zoner. Counts as piracy by the KNF.

Ok so just to be clear, now you want me to metagame?:crazy:

Does not matter. Even if he shipped scrubbies to Harris. Leave us alone dudes, we have juggys. We speak Nomadish.

Yeah met a juggy the other day, nice bomber bait.
And I speak Namadish too. :ylove:



There was no piracy here, if you get told to turn around with no threats of violence and you respond with no I am a Zoner, what do you think will happen?
I have a hard case Kusari officer that enforces a blockade against Bretonia if you think it is against the rules put a post in the sanction report channel, you have your proof right here.
I will be only too happy to cooperate with admin over this.
You could just try and Q_Q over samantics if you want, good luck with that.

The export of any products from/through Kusari space to Bretonia is forbidden.

EDIT: This was not directed in anyway to Golden Eye, he wanted something clarified and got an answer he was happy with.
All I can say to him is kudos.

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[Vito]

[font=Impact]KUSARI LEGAL CODEX
Updated 30.03,2011 818 A.S.
From "The Laws of Sirius"
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[color=#990000]Section 1

Introduction

• Supremacy of Kusari laws is absolute in Kusari space.
  
• Empire territory means: New Tokyo, Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku, Hokkaido, Hiroshima, Fukuoka.
  
• Empire Influence Zone means: Chugoku, Tohoku, Nagano, Oita, Galileo (within jump gate range), Kepler (within jump gate range), Sigma-13 (up to Gas Miner Naha), Sigma-19 (up to Gas Miner Ogashawa), Tau-23 Tau-29, Tau-31, Dundee, Leeds.
  

The export of any products from/through Kusari space to [color=#FFCC00]Bretonia is forbidden.
The export of any products from Kusari space to any GMG base is forbidden.
The export of any products from GMG bases to any base is [color=#990000]forbidden.
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Section 3

Fines

In any case we would take illegal products from your ship, and also we would require to pay a fine in such amount:

• Fighters/Bombers: 1,000,000 credits
  
• Freighters: 1,500,000 credits
  
• Gunboats/Gunships: 2,000,000 credits
  
• Transports: 3,000,000 - 5,000,000 credits (depends on amount of carried cargo )
  

Upon refusal to cooperate they will be considered hostile targets

But who cares about RP and Laws and stuff like that? That's right, nobody!

Leave zoners alone!!! Conspir[A]cy! Sankshun!

/sarcasm off

Really people you need to get a grip

@ Markus_Janus: you, sir, are full of win

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[Jamestim]

Alright. Two examples from history

From the German capture of Denmark and Norway, the Swedish overseas trade during World War II was mainly blocked by the battle of the Atlantic, but Swedish diplomats convinced Germany and the United Kingdom to let through a few vessels, mainly to the USA until their entrance into the war, and neutral countries in Latin America. These transports, called lejdtrafiken, "the escort traffic", were monitored by both powers, and ten of them were sunk during the war. Sweden mainly imported petroleum products and agricultural produce, and exported wood products. As the war progressed, strategic products such as rubber and metals were prohibited.

According to the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994, a blockade is a legal method of warfare at sea, but is governed by rules. The blockading nation must publish a list of contraband. The manual describes what can never be contraband. Outside this list, the blockading nation is free to select anything as contraband. The blockading nation typically establish a blockaded area of water, but any ship can be inspected as soon as it is established that it is attempting to break the blockade. This inspection can occur inside the blockaded area or in international waters, but never inside the territorial waters of a neutral nation. A neutral ship must obey a request to stop for inspection from the blockading nation. If the situation so demands, the blockading nation can request that the ship divert to a known place or harbour for inspection. If the ship does not stop, then the ship is subject to capture. If people aboard the ship are resisting capture, they can be attacked. It is still not allowed to sink the ship, unless provision is made for rescuing the crew. Leaving the crew in liferafts / lifeboats does not constitute rescue. If a neutral ship is captured any member of the crew, resisting capture can be treated as prisoners-of-war, while the remainder of the crew should be released.

Of course, it is my opinion only...

1. Pineal Amulets are not in list of Contraband of Kusari.
2. Zoners don't participate in the conflict between Bretonia and Kusari.

The export of any products from/through Kusari space to Bretonia is forbidden.

It this part of Kusari's Law I cant see any sence for Zoners (especially for Zoner Guard ID). It fully justifies actions to in relation to Blockade runners, but not to Zoner Guard Transport.

A blockade runner is usually a lighter weight ship used for evading a naval blockade of a port or strait, as opposed to confronting the blockaders to break the blockade. Very often blockade running is done in order to transport cargo, for example to bring food or arms to a blockaded city. In other cases the blockade runners would carry mail in an attempt to communicate with the outside world.

Zoner Guard ID vessels can not supply the bases of Bretonia because can not dock on their stations/planets.

[Markus_Janus]

All good points there and I believe that a lot of players will let you through.
However Zoners are known to harbour and help Kusari's enemies including Bretonia, I have no way of knowing where your goods are going and if I just take your word for it I would have to let all the H-Fuel runners through too.

You will not see Zoners referenced in the section that claims no trading from Kusari to Bretonia for a good reason, it applies to everyone.
You will not see them in a list of exceptions either.

Kusari has not outlawed amulets and I believe there is no plans to do so, Kusari has no plans to hurt the Zoners in Baffin or FP6 as long as they do not interfere with Kusari.

So you are free to trade to your hearts content within Kusari law.
The problem arises when you are seen to be breaking a blockade and helping an enemy we are at war with.
I know you weren't going to Bretonia, but how is my character to know that?
To my character, he sees a Zoner that is heading across our established blockade towards the exact spot that the blockade is trying to sanction.
Hence what we call a criminal..

In that instance, the best thing from my point of view would be to turn around from the heavily armed warship and try another approach.
This could be like I told you and exit through the other side of Kusari through Rheinland. (not recommended)
Head from your base in Baffin down through Liberty. (more recommended)
Or you could just turn around and find another way past my blockade, this carries much higher risk if you are caught but by all likely hood you won't be. (The way I would of done it)

You could also force your way past, however the whale is not such a good vessel to try this with.

If Zoners want an exception made for them trading through the blockade they will have to contact the Kusari government about this, I don't like your chances.
The other way is to disregard the blockade which does have it's own risk for the vessels attempting it, and even for their freeports if it ever was noticed as standard practice.

All up this is an InRP problem that must be discussed InRP.

You did nothing wrong with your character, I would try that run as a Zoner too, except my Zoner doesn't trade.
But I did nothing wrong with upholding both the letter and spirit of Kusari law either.
There will be no consequences for your ship as it was destroyed during the chase, hence justice was served.

Next time I see you it will be with a clean slate and we can either meet the same way or a different way depending on how both our characters act.
I enjoyed our encounter and liked the way you tried to push through, it had a nice feeling to it.
I hope you don't think anything I did was trying to be a jerk, I did give you a nice way of getting away scott free at the beginning.

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[xiphos]

Alright. Two examples from history
Of course, it is my opinion only...

1. Pineal Amulets are not in list of Contraband of Kusari.
2. Zoners don't participate in the conflict between Bretonia and Kusari.
It this part of Kusari's Law I cant see any sence for Zoner (especially for Zoner Guard ID).

1.: Look at this:

[font=Impact]KUSARI LEGAL CODEX[color=#990000]

Section 1

Introduction

• Supremacy of Kusari laws is absolute in Kusari space.
  
• Empire territory means: New Tokyo, Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku, Hokkaido, Hiroshima, Fukuoka.
  
• Empire Influence Zone means: Chugoku, Tohoku, Nagano, Oita, Galileo (within jump gate range), Kepler (within jump gate range), Sigma-13 (up to Gas Miner Naha), Sigma-19 (up to Gas Miner Ogashawa), Tau-23 Tau-29, Tau-31, Dundee, Leeds.
  

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Section 2

Subsection 3

Embargo



The export of any products from/through Kusari space to [color=#FFCC00]Bretonia is forbidden.

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The Empire`s influence is indeed the Tau`s and Leeds. And it`s clearly mentioned that ANY commodity is forbidden.


2.: How should the Kusari Law Enforcer know that you don`t support Bretonia? Sure you can tell him "Me? Never!" but he don`t have to believe everything that a Trader try to tell him.

It this part of Kusari's Law I cant see any sence for Zoner (especially for Zoner Guard ID). It fully justifies actions to in relation to Blockade runners, but not to Zoner.

Well, Zoner does not means " Hey i am Zoner, i do nothing illegal here so let me alone." And a Zoner can indeed be a Blockade Runner.

Zoner Guard ID vessels can not supply the bases of Bretonia because can not dock on their stations/planets.

Hm. Maybe you are right. Maybe you cannot land in House space, but you could sell it to a trader who have the docking rights at Bretonian bases or planets.

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[Ipuvaepe]

Attention Everyone:

Your opinions are irrelevant. It has already been proven that this is Piracy by KNF and thus a 6.1 violation, gtfo the thread.

EDIT:

I will elaborate:
Tau-29 does not even link to Bretonian space, there is no justification for the KNF players actions under the linked clause of the kusari legal codex. In addition, there is no justification supported by any legal interpretation of any part of the Kusari Legal Codex. Therefor, piracy.

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