The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread

[Gold Wing]

Good morning. I will be speaking on behalf of those of us who fly under Gold Wing colors. Gold Wing is a collection of more experienced (but not necessarily 'better') pilots within the [LN].

As we have observed, the majority (not all) of the Flares have a habit of only appearing when the [LN] is already engaged with a force which would be a challenge to face without the Flares' interference.

We in gold wing appreciate the nature of opportunism, and have the experience to see that such behaviour is a highly effective method of making bounty claims, and scoring kills.

An excellent example of this behaviour would be the situation referred to by Total Absolution. This is not exclusive to that particular event, but is something which we have collectively witnessed on numerous occasions. This occurs mostly when a group of Flares appears at the same time as a Rheinland raid or a major pirate attack.

Again, those of us in Gold Wing can appreciate why this is done. However we cannot understand your claim that you only wish for a fair fight when your behaviour indicates otherwise. We will play the game however you wish for it to be played, we are capable of being both fair and unfair.

You create the rules by which we play:
Should you choose to only appear when you have a clear advantage and the [LN] is already engaged in a fight which would be tough, we will endeavor to find ways of making victory impossible for you.

If you wish to enjoy an evenly matched fight, then we can provide for that wish, and will fight on a completely even playing field... But it is purely your behaviour that dictates how we will respond.

Once your behaviour becomes a clear pattern, altering how you are perceived becomes near impossible.

I would also like to point to Yber's post, in which a member of the Flares complains about Yber lagging. This strikes us as highly amusing, considering the apparent obliviousness of the Flares' own members to exacty how hard they lag. One would imagine that they would have some degree of sympathy. Apparently not.

http://i.imgur.com/appS9SJ.jpg

We would like to add, that in each of those situations the Flares appeared and engaged when the [LN] were already outnumbered and/or outgunned by ship class.

~ 11.

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[Abuzar]

First of we dont want you to play by our Rules, Its what you tell us in feedback about us, though same goes for you, We do the same because your people ganked us alot, Tired of that. We prefer hunting in those cases only when we see LNS cap swarm , in this case a Bombers swarm is already prepared to clean up the Big targets , get the bounty mean while their attention is toward RNC.

This way its better for us to kill what we cant , during ganked by LNS. And Gold wing you maybe special but still pilots of [LN].

Now if you want us to stop QQ at you , Stop your people which you cant and never will. those of you which are from Gold wing are the same from [LN], Same pilot flying the Other named ship. Talking about proof of yber, he is the one who pmed me that i jitters, though yesterday i gave admin all info, And so far i am clear , Never Done anything, it could be him, He already pmed me several times that i jitter, the time he pinged he could be lagging himself dont you see that???

Or he just got worlds fastest internet? or Do YOU?
also if he got so fast internet that never lags then why did he pmed me i am gonna report you for jittering.Yes he Did No offense to him just a normal chat coz you dragged him here (yber).

Breaking of section 3.4 :

Threatening other players with reports and sanctions, attempting to pose as an Admin and using an Admin's name without permission is not allowed.

I told him to go call an Admin right now and check my fps or see if i am using any kind of hack, which no one will , if you think we use hack, go on, report, call Admins team ,scan us do what ever you want. Dude playing from more then 5 years alright, Never used anythingm i am a fair pilot .
G'day lads
Blodo said : People are going nuts for no Reason quiet Frankly
Blodo said : people in conn these days will go crazy about any kind of small lag immediately and tell people they jitter

When i told him that people says we jitter, Thats what he told. Better watch your own alright and What ever the Proof you posted aint proves anything so far against us.
you were not there so Its better you stay only to your Faction, [LN] issues rather then Dragging some one here which dont care to come.
Yber is my mate from other faction , he is better in pvp but bah have you people seen any normal pvper calling someone jittering?? Not at all its you people not us.
some times Ion storms hit the server due to a fight going on in another system could be bigger or smaller which makes server lag also, some times crashes , fix yours not ours G'day , thankyou for your Valuable feedback

note: If you wanna keep posting about this ,Better not. Post about Faction feeedbacks not about individual person of faction or some others guy feedback just to troll us or throw something on us which dont really exists or dont have a point of feedback about Faction. Besides, people lags, but not always ,so Do you.

Some Good [LN] behaviour Take a look yourself
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[LN] screen 2
[LN] Screen 3

Teach yours not Ours
Points:
you got some noobs in your faction
They even break rules
They cant fight fair .Damn!!! now dont ask us to be more fair then 1v1

Cheers

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[Korny]

I speak on the [LN]'s behalf here. You still do not seem to be able to distinguish between [LN] and independent factions such as SFC|, or the indie capital front LNS. As Durandal has already pointed out earlier, it's not always possible for us to prevent capspam, since there's just so many to consider. I always try to tell capital ships to break off if there's a snub-fight going on, and I'm sure most of my colleagues would do the same in said situation.

Again, you seem to think that, only because many LNS capital ships go nuts at you, the [LN] has something to do with it. This is simply not true and I'm just trying to make it clear to you - we do NOT have control over the LNS. Sure, we can try to make them stand down, since we're the primary fleet we do have some sort of power over independent players, but only so much.

Another point: Your screenshots above show our newest players getting a little angry at certain situations. You know, imagine you're new to a faction. You wanna' undock and have some fun patrolling. Right as you undock, you've got mercenaries right infront of you, telling you that you've got a bounty on your head which they're gonna' collect. Said mercenary goes in guns blazing, while the "noob" doesn't stand a chance because he's simply not experienced enough. The recruit gets killed, and is system-dead for 2 hours. Don't you think it's a little bit frustrating for the new guy ? This happened multiple times, so I do understand why Morse or Atlas flipped the table there. I am not trying to justify it, because it's still the wrong behaviour, I'm just saying that it's kind of understandable.

You also seem to dodge clear evidence of your people going nuts by twisting our arguments into a way it suits you. You still haven't answered to the fact, that your members accuse our pilots to use some sort of aimbot or other software. We as an official faction would never, I repeat NEVER, use anything like it, because, lets face it, we don't have to.

I hope you take your time reading and considering the fact that not everything you hold against us is supported by facts and evidence. Keep in mind what I've said and carry on.

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[Durandal]

Some Good [LN] behaviour Take a look yourself
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[LN] Screen 3

Ok, now would it really have been that difficult to simply post those in our feedback thread when it happened?

Anyway I know the incident and lectured both Morse and Revan on it a month ago, who at the time had just joined. I sincerely doubt you'll find either of them doing it again, Revan in particular because I believe he left the faction.

He makes a valid point though. Hunt somebody every time they log on and they'll start to get annoyed. I can't make a decent pilot out of somebody in two hours, and it's hard to build morale when they're dying each time they undock.

So, what aside from an incident which happened a month ago with two recruits do you have to justify your behavior and overarching attitude towards the [LN]? Not a whole lot.

What Eleven said from the Gold Wing account applies. See you in space.

[Abuzar]

As you said, and as i know, As Blodo said things are quiet different on disco now a days. Thankyou for making me notice about it.My people accusing some one that he hacks or jitters. i will take care of it, making it sure it will never happen again by my people.

And about Durandal answer i didn't really knew that these pilots are new or not but as you guys asked me that i undock and see mercenaries infront of me coming to kill me and i wont stand a chance i will simply dock, wont rage at them .This is why our contractors pay us . They want blood which we provide them. They keep our pockets full. This is the Life of a Mercenary.

The simplest is that , Generally, From my side i will try to keep things balanced rather then ganking stuff, only incase, yours wing Supports a bunch of caps who are already engaged to us, they can take their time and i hope we can provide the same from ours.Running a Faction is hard because if you see many things around here, people from different factions or other factions try to keep themselves protected, I do same but not for every thing.
The situation which is clear cut against our people we can take a look at it and will try to control it. Again lads nothing personal i have a responsibility on me because many of other members of HC already lift their hands up on People Feed back. i am just trying to keep it balanced. Mistakes are done by every one . We are not a computer machine, Every player have its own way of playing . all i can do is trying to keep it balanced as long as i can.

i say Again nothing personal . Good luck to you lads. Cya in Space

Cheers

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[Lythrilux]

I find it very disappointing that you guys hunt people the moment they undock, and are persistent each time. Like Durandal has said it is very upsetting to new people to have this happen each time they undock., And no on is uber l33t pr0 and can 360 n0 sc0p3 people, skill levels vary.
I am speaking on BHG| behalf here, we all got really annoyed when we couldn't go undock without being attacked by Flares. Morale began to get really low and people didn't feel like logging for a while. Though, thanks to escorts, we got people logging again but notice: we're not in Liberty a large amount anymore in comparison to before. We've all do a lot more in the taus now, because it's more fun.
How would you like it if each time you logged, there's a BHG waiting outside buffalo/alcatraz/rochester waiting to hunt you? And whos's also trying to kill you every two hours?
In my opinion, the Doges are some good medicine for you. It might teach you the sanctity of house hunting, why there needs to be a balance and equilibrium.
Also, the whole 'brag-about-killing-people' thing really isn't cool, especially if they're not super skilled.

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[Luke.]

General feedback I directed to Spike a while back.

You need to work on your attitude and that's been said here already. Getting mouthy when things aren't going your way and raging at others all the time. OoRP rage in your "RP" is easy to spot and is generally quite unpleasant.

The incident in the Tau's a while back for example, accusing CL} of not fair fighting when it was Silver and Cyan (Cyan being in a gunboat) and complaining when another fighter turned up to assist me. Logs are too old for me to go and find. RP is kinda lacking in general as well. "You have a bounty on your head, die" is not RP...it's just hunting for blue messages. Go play Vanilla if you want to do that.

It's also quite boring have to fight the crazy lag but...that issue's been discussed already. See you in space.

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[versatil]

Hello people!

Someone here said that he is glad because one of the Flares has spoken friendly. I'd be glad to see your attitude more friendly when you post in feedback threads. I'm pretty sure that everyone could rage here and say that Flares never RP, or Flares suck, but... Think about changes. We all want this place to become something better. If we put gas on a burning fire, it won't help. Try to stay friendly even when you say something bad about somebody or a faction.

If you want to change something, be the change!

There's no way to make things work good if you come here as hostile. And about RP, nobody does RP around here. RP is now a form of insulting. I'd love to see Navy acting like soldiers, what they are. I want to see LPI acting as officers, as they do. And so on. Stop this ugly insulting-form RP. When this will change, everything will go better.

This was everything I had to say. Now log in and have fun!

Pink.Flare

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[Sarawr!?]

I think that people need to learn to take RP interaction for what it is, and not take it personally as a player. If your character gets insulted inRP, take it that way, don't take it as an insult against you as a player.

But that's not the real issue here.

The real issues here have been pointed out. As for the [LN] side of things, Nothing has really changed in the way we do things since Joe left. I learned how to run this faction from Joe, so don't go spitting in my face and telling me that I enjoy ganks or that I allow ganks, or that my people are using hacks, because I don't, they aren't, and they never will.

The [LN] cannot completely control it's indies, as much as we might like to, the SFC|, 41st, 36th, and various other independent groups do not HAVE to listen to us, even though things go much better when they do.

The [LN] does not go out of it's way to "Gank" enemy players or groups, nor do we actively hunt specific players as soon as they log into the game, that's pretty low.

Yes, [LN] ships have been involved in "ganks", it happens, but it's not something that we actively commit to and it's not considered a valid "tactic" by [LN] leadership.

Ganks, to us anyway, are something that happen when there is little other choice, or when the indies rush in and stomp on everything despite us telling them not to do so. (We will fight ganks with ganks, yes, but we're not going to send say five ships, after one, that's just lame.)

I think also, if you people actually tried to challenge some of our pilots to fair 1v1 duels, you'd find them pretty open to the idea.

Our faction members do not enjoy ganks, on either side, because all they do is make things worse.

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[LN] Recruitment | Rachel Baker Bio

[versatil]

I think that people need to learn to take RP interaction for what it is, and not take it personally as a player. If your character gets insulted inRP, take it that way, don't take it as an insult against you as a player.

You didn't get the point of what I said. I have nothing against RP insults. I said that the whole RP thing became ONLY insults. And I, personally, never said that [LN] ganks or not. All I want is them acting like Navy. And if people don't get what I understand by "Acting like a Navy", I suggest them to play one mission in single player.

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