Please release the Core| Caps

[Alley]

Karst however is right, Bastilling Core ships simply because they shot on Zoners, implying such is not allowed by their ID while it actually is, was a bad move. Other stuff like lack of RP or reengagement or anything like that is all right to be punished, but I don't think rules should pose an obstacle in the way of roleplay development.

The sanction was very large and out of 5 violations we've only judged 3 as receivable.

We didn't sanction the attack of FP11 or Zoners involved in the fight, we sanctioned Core's refusal to let a dead Order player leave the system and random, unjustified kills of people that had nothing to do with it outside of their ID allowances.

I'm not sure why Garrett bastilled the ships as we could just have discussed it further, but it doesn't matter, this will be solved in a matter of hours. You have plenty of other Core| ships to carry on until the chosen sanction is applied on the ships.

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Alley was right.

[Jayce]

Karst however is right, Bastilling Core ships simply because they shot on Zoners, implying such is not allowed by their ID while it actually is, was a bad move..

That's just it,that was not the only reason the ships were sent to bastille but the bellow as well,let's not forget that

Other stuff like lack of RP or reengagement or anything like that is all right to be punished

I can't speak to the re-engagement, however the Order ship had more than 5 minutes to depart the system before it was engaged again. That part of the sanction is completely unfounded. Here are the logs with timestamps.

[01.05.2016 22:14:21] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith (Gun).
[01.05.2016 22:22:17] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by PRIME|Empathy (Gun).

8 minutes.

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[Sombs]

When did the attack on this begin?

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[Gagadug.]

Actually it would be much easyer to compensate the loss of the most shared Makos if we hadnt like three capfleets on out doorstep allying with one another disregarding all rules...
Yesterday there even was a CR/IMG/what else convoy guarded by three corsair battleships. Quality RP.
Added to that i see more hate incoming for the Core side of the event

I am for freeing them, too. There even was an Admin statement ID rules dont count, if it was specific it should have been said and not just that thrown in.

[Stone21]

Karst however is right, Bastilling Core ships simply because they shot on Zoners, implying such is not allowed by their ID while it actually is, was a bad move..

That's just it,that was not the only reason the ships were sent to bastille but the bellow as well,let's not forget that

Other stuff like lack of RP or reengagement or anything like that is all right to be punished

I can't speak to the re-engagement, however the Order ship had more than 5 minutes to depart the system before it was engaged again. That part of the sanction is completely unfounded. Here are the logs with timestamps.

[01.05.2016 22:14:21] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith (Gun).
[01.05.2016 22:22:17] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by PRIME|Empathy (Gun).

8 minutes.

Perhaps the CV-OSIRIS was docked at Dabadoru base and it takes quite a lot of minutes to reach Omicron Minor jump hole. Maybe during the way to Minor jump hole he got ambushed again. It happened to me as well a few days ago but I don't care anymore about re-engagers and I simply log off and mind my own business when I get re-engaged.

[Shiki]

2. add a line in the zoner-id "can engage core everywhere"

Can engage Core in the system with the Zoner bases only rather. Zoners are defending side after all.

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[Jayce]

Karst however is right, Bastilling Core ships simply because they shot on Zoners, implying such is not allowed by their ID while it actually is, was a bad move..

That's just it,that was not the only reason the ships were sent to bastille but the bellow as well,let's not forget that

Other stuff like lack of RP or reengagement or anything like that is all right to be punished

I can't speak to the re-engagement, however the Order ship had more than 5 minutes to depart the system before it was engaged again. That part of the sanction is completely unfounded. Here are the logs with timestamps.

[01.05.2016 22:14:21] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith (Gun).
[01.05.2016 22:22:17] Death: Order|CV-Osiris was put out of action by PRIME|Empathy (Gun).

8 minutes.

Perhaps the CV-OSIRIS was docked at Dabadoru base and it takes quite a lot of minutes to reach Omicron Minor jump hole. Maybe during the way to Minor jump hole he got ambushed again. It happened to me as well a few days ago but I don't care anymore about re-engagers and I simply log off and mind my own business when I get re-engaged.

We watched it undock from FP11.

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[Omi]

This whole debacle, while involving a cool event series and such, was doomed to end in tears from the start. When you see the players who instigated it from the Zoner side, it's not hard to figure out that they didn't exactly have pure intentions when they set out to cause all this Delta BS. Many of those on the Zoner/not-Core side have been busy participating in exactly the kind of behaviour they themselves never shut up about hating - and were it not for Alley starting up the (admittedly really fun) event series to take everyone's mind off just how stacked this whole parade is against Core in an ooRP sense as well as an iRP one, said people wouldn't be able to strut around patting themselves on the back for a job well done.

I am thoroughly disgusted that it both takes this sort of ooRP motivation and results in so much ooRP carnage and grief for the server to participate in an iRP event these days.

EDIT DISCLAIMER: No, I'm not in Core|, nor was I when this mess started. I am (for once, lol) as neutral as they come, but things (as I see it) are rapidly worsening for one side much more than the other.

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[realekki]

Can engage Core in the system with the Zoner bases only rather. Zoners are defending side after all.

ok then "can engage core only in systems with a zoner base/station"

yep thats better

best regard ekki

[Jack_Henderson]

Temporarily unban Lyth: I wrote a player request to temporarily unban Lyth yesterday. The faction needs leadership. I agree fully with a temp release plus ban afterwards.

ID Clarification (temporary ones at least): We need ID clarification, especially now in this event. I suggest having temporary additions/amendments to keep the action going.

Core Caps: Release & Punish for "lesser crimes" only: Imo, the attack on Nevian is a rule violation and the attack on the pvp-dead leaving Order vessel is a rule break. A little more consideration in actions and their consequences in general would be good, also for the sake of "where Core is when this winds down". These " lesser crimes" do not warrant Bastille punishment perhaps - as the total absence of Core| caps is not conducive to how the Delta event is moving at the moment.

If we assume that Core-Zoner clash is wanted (and I think it really is), the action between those factions should be allowed and legal. Therefore Core ID should be allowed to engage Zoners, and Zoners need temporary permission to engage Core. Legalise the clash (perhaps for a limited time frame?) because it creates an interesting scenario. But we urgently need clarification. Nearly 100 % of interactions atm in Delta are violations of ID rules if you go by the letter of the law.

Therefore: clarification of ID (especially engagement rights) is urgently needed.