New Order/BlackSquadron Role Play Rules

[MrCynical]

So orders given by Bs| to non-Bs members are banned, but orders given by a Council whose members are chosen by Bs| to non-Bs members are not banned? As an entirely uninvolved observer (I have no Order chars of either persuasion) I find this logic hard to follow.

All done, all ambiguity removed. Bs| and the Command Council do not get to rule over those who do not wish to follow the Council's dictates.

Yet from the original post:

Order pilots that choose not to do so may result in them being declared "rogue" by the council and will be dealt with at a later date

We all know what 'dealt with' means to the Bs. Even if it doesn't mean being pvp-whored, this certainly doesn't suggest that complying with the Council's dictates will be optional.

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[Kuraine]

I completely agree with the other admins, in that the ingame RP states that the Order are at war with Liberty. As such, no punishments will be given by admins for any member of the Order attacking Liberty. Also, no Order players have the right to penalise in any way, shape or form any other Order player who decides to attack Liberty.

Having said that, I do personally disagree with the ingame "RP" dictating Liberty and the Order being at war and I think its not the best thing for it. I'm also completely opposed to the Order-Corsair alliance for similar reasons. But until such a time as it gets changed, then that's the way it is and you deal with it.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Heartless]

the council members were chosen based on rp and dedication to the Order, nothing more.

We've always involved indies in all Bs| decisions and I've always publicly stated that I will listen to anyone and take their thoughts.

As for canon rp, well I think the big problem is that the game gives us vanilla settings but Disco takes place many years after the sp and things change. But I guess they don't know... it makes no sence really,

I think that because we are years after the incidents of sp that canon should be changed accordingly.
Does that make sence?

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[AdamantineFist]

Well, if some 'canon RP' is worked out with the admins, that's great. But leaving a non-admin (or council) with the authority to decide 'canon RP' on the spot, and enforce it, isn't so great. That's the only thing I'm worried (though 'worried' is a bit too strong a term) about.

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Uh...


You know that Virus can do this at will, right? And that the same goes for the leaders of pretty much any of the house militaries too, right? Uh... or the Brotherhood Elders? The RHA, LWB, and XA? The 101st (though there IS the OC council of Dons)? I really don't see what your problem is with it. The same applies to any faction. They can muck about with canon RP within the bounds of reason.

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[Wolfpack98]

*shakes head*

Order members that choose to abide by the council's orders get to follow them They can join anytime they want, but if they leave, they're out.

Dealt with doesn't mean we'll PVP whore them. I run a *MUCH TIGHTER* ship than that. I don't like gang mentality, and I'm not going to support it here either.

The council only has power over BlackSquadron and order indies who choose to work with us. No one else. So can we please stop reading between the lines for something that really isn't there?

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[MrCynical]

the council members were chosen based on rp and dedication to the Order, nothing more.

Yeah, but still chosen by the Bs| and (according to one of the earlier posts in this thread) a majority of them are Bs members. So the council isn't really independent from Bs| in any meaningful way.

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[Heartless]

2 Bs| and 2 indies are the council

Wolf acts as a tiebreaker just in case.

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[Zelot]

Thank You!

Bluntage, I hope you understand the incredible oppurtunity you have been given here and how it will effect other people on this server, probably for some time to come. This descion is what is right, but that doesnt make your rp good, or at least not needed significant work, so instead of feeling like you have won here, and that you should continue to operate the way you have, I would hope you and your group would use this as an oppurtunity to improve your rp, and your interactions with other players within the order and without.



Bluntage, if you go and just attack New York for no reason, the next time something like this happens with another faction, people will say "look and see what happened with the Order and THC, theres a good example of why factions need to dictate RP to indies." So THC, you can RP your way, so please please please, make it worth all this hassle and conflict, use this as a reason to make yourselves and your rp better, as in fact we all should.

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[Unseelie]

2 Bs| and 2 indies are the council

Wolf acts as a tiebreaker just in case.

Why should Wolf be the tiebreaker?
(honestly, I was under the impression that wolf was just here for the duration of the crisis, but even if not...)
Why not, perhaps, a respected and well known indie? Why not a current admin?

Seriously, what right does the Faction leader have to be the tiebreaker?

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[Wolfpack98]

I see no one believes in unilaterial control of any kind.

I have no intention to use my position to push Bs| will on others. I never have. you guys can't see that, and for that I am dearly sorry that you can't see it.

I have been and always will be open to suggestions. I do NOT forsee a tie showing up at the council very often, even if there is, my decisions are based on the ROLE PLAY, not what is in the best interest of my faction. Many of you do NOT know how many times i've shut Swiss, Ascendency, and even DBoy down on role play cause it did not go in line with what Order should really be doing. (I should have shot DBoy down sooner with the whole "we are order" mentality but meh)

I honestly am getting to the point where I don't care what others say. We're trying something new. No one likes it, and yu still want to pick a bone with us? Go find a new bone to pick, really.

The Admins will deal with this.

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