Well for me, it's not the Hunter caps themselves at all. It's the way they are played. As said elsewhere here, the RP potential for them is huge. It's all over Sirius which is why I think there are a lot of them.
I don't mind fighting a group of Hunters in caps. I just fought with six or seven of them. It was great fun and I think everyone enjoyed it. The Corsairs were hanging on (but getting a hiding) until two Corsair battleships arrived. We won the day but the battle was epic.
That in itself is not the point. These guys appeared in Gamma and stood off. If we wanted a fight, they'd sure as hell have given us one. If we didn't and had left them alone, I reckon they would have carried on and left.
It's the guys that swarm the bases killing everything in their sight and then sit there. Fine, you killed me. Now bugger off so I can get on with it but it doesn't always happen like that. They don't bugger off. Sometimes they attack lonely Sabres/Titans in their huge ships.
I lost count of the times I have undocked to find a couple of BH battlecruisers sitting off Crete. I've even had a Rheiland battleship doing it.
I have been hit by two Falcattas, a Sabre and a Hacker Gunboat at Tripoli. God knows what the other corsair was hit by but I could see the ships from where I was so they were probably caps. This happened some weeks ago and thats all died down now but all that firepower for two Titans?
It just isn't fun. For anyone. Certainly not me and probably not for my attackers. Get annhilated by overwhelming force/numbers is a pretty crap experience. Doing the annhilation is like stepping on an ant. Wheres the fun in any of that?
I could rant on using some here as shining examples for gamesmanship but I suppose the point I'm making is that it's not the ships that cause the hassle, it's the pilots. Educate them and it all changes.
What the hell? ive never seen a player BHG in a fighter or bomber
every BHG has a Cap! from orca's to gunboats, they alll have caps!!
we really need a registretion system similar to the OC, but only more restrictions, adn they should only be able to purcase caps after the higher BHG counsel lets them.
seriously, BHG are a bunch of cap-loving ruffians
earlier today, a few outcasts and librety navy and police, as well as some roaming freelancers
had a big fight outside newark, it was fun and went on for about half an hour, there were no caps involved.
now, imagine that a BHG swooped by, stopped in the cloud of missle and sweat, and just parked there, pointed and clicked, dident let go untill his target was dead, no skill, and he ended the fun for all of us. i happily died and enjoyed myself during the fight, it was about the figh, not the outcome. people need to learn this, i always like a fight, but hate it when someone squeals becasue they are losing and calls a cloud of steel my way.
' Wrote:we really need a registretion system similar to the OC, but only more restrictions, adn they should only be able to purcase caps after the higher BHG counsel lets them.
BHG counsel? The closest thing there is to that is the Guild Core, however they don't enforce it.
' Wrote:What the hell? ive never seen a player BHG in a fighter or bomber
every BHG has a Cap! from orca's to gunboats, they alll have caps!!
Have you heard of the S/D agency? Or the Guild Core? Neither of them use Cap-ships (well, the Core does have some, but only a handful).
' Wrote:earlier today, a few outcasts and librety navy and police, as well as some roaming freelancers
had a big fight outside newark, it was fun and went on for about half an hour, there were no caps involved.
now, imagine that a BHG swooped by, stopped in the cloud of missle and sweat, and just parked there, pointed and clicked, dident let go untill his target was dead, no skill, and he ended the fun for all of us. i happily died and enjoyed myself during the fight, it was about the figh, not the outcome. people need to learn this, i always like a fight, but hate it when someone squeals becasue they are losing and calls a cloud of steel my way.
Isn't this the reason they made it so Hunters can only engage pirates with a bounty on the forums? Although personally I think that if a lawful offers something like a 500k bounty on each pirate the hunter kills, the hunter should be able to engage.
I agree that BHG caps should be out in the Omicrons and Omegas battling the Order and alike to gain technology and such, only going into House systems to claim bounties on other cap ships. I also agree attacking fighters in a capship just ruins everyone's fun. However, this being said, don't be stupid enough to think you can get away with attacking a battleship in your Corsair fighter, with a Corsair Dreadnaught as backup and live to tell the tale. Oh, and when you and the Dreadnaught have been destroyed, please don't winge at how a battleship attacked your fighter: If you were stupid enough to engage, you will be destroyed.
' Wrote:I suggest hiding BHG capships sale place in a station 800k above plane of Omicron Lost.
Better idea, Bastille. I see it as a no win situation, taking the ships from the home systems into the outer systems. The ships are still there, it's just a different group complaining about them.
I wonder what could be done about the number of Bounty hunter cap ships...I mean sure there is a regulation style registration that several factions have, which I think is good, but a lot of people don't like the control it seems to bring with it...I can understand their concerns. But maybe it should be considered for BH cap-ships as well cause I frankly, have seen no bounty hunter VHF/Bombers, one gunboat, and a few dozen BH capships.... A few times I've asked said bounty hunters if they've noticed it too, and they all have, but don't seem to care.
Now I can only speak from experience of dealing with them in the Omicrons and Omegas, and I understand they are pretty much the most hated thing in that space, which logic would dictate, bring a big ship to survive, as BH arent known for being sneaky or cunning....they are known for being in your face, I got a big ship, and I am coming to smash you!
The appeal of the ships I understand, the reason for having the big ole ships, I understand too, to a point. I see cap ships as being cool for having fleets go against each other....cap ships are not cool when 3 go after one VHF or Bomber...I have heard that S/D don't do this, or tried not to for a while, which ever the case, I commend you if its true, cause sadly I have had no experience with dealing with you guys.
Now I am not gonna say both sides aren't guilty of the whole "enemies sighted, ENGAGING" thing. But I just wish that if you have a ship as big as a BH BS or BC, I get a good few minutes of fun RP out of encounters with the bounty hunters....sadly...I haven't gotten it once...maybe its a part of the art of being a BH to attack while the other person is typing, ha.
I would love to play a bounty hunter one day, but I am afraid that the stigma caused by what seems to be the majority of bounty hunter players, has kept me away.
In the event that I would be a Bounty Hunter in a VHF, I would probably get maimed by 'sairs pissed off because of the lawlcruiser BH's that just owned a poor little titan.
I wouldnt even get the chance to do some cool RP in system chat, because of my predecessors.:(
What the hell? ive never seen a player BHG in a fighter or bomber
every BHG has a Cap! from orca's to gunboats, they alll have caps!!
we really need a registretion system similar to the OC, but only more restrictions, adn they should only be able to purcase caps after the higher BHG counsel lets them.
seriously, BHG are a bunch of cap-loving ruffians
A very factual post...
maybe you should look around better.:)
The stigma is the worst problem. I had some nice RP with both the Order and Corsairs in delta and kappa. the problem is that there always are 1 or 2 Corsairs/outcasts/Order/whoever who start off with some nice and heartwarming insults. please yell at the PVP whores for all you`re worth. seriously, please do. you`d be doing us all a favor. but please DON`T start bitching before I even manage to get off one line of RP in chat.
It`s a game people. it`s ment to be fun. so when you run into a hunter, give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he`s like before you fire off a cannonade of insults.
that kinda ruins the rp. learn from Au`rora. I had some good rp with him before he scrapped me and my ship.
Sadly, I think that the Order/Corsair/Outcast players have to deal with the bounty hunters in capital ships. They can't really complain about these hunters using capital ships, because they are in the Edge Worlds. There are numerous RP and OORP reasons to use a large, armoured ship in those systems. In the omegas for example, I can't stand alt tabbing or being diverted by other windows, only to come back and see my death message. I have a Core fighter, Hunter fighter and Core Destroyer out in the Omicrons/Omegas. The safest for general play is definitely the Destroyer...
Unfortunately, the rules will force the BH BCs, Battleships etc into the Omicrons, Omegas and Sigmas. Factions in these systems who are enemies with the Guild Core will likely have to step out of their fighters and switch to bombers or above.
Edit: A note, the Guild Core is not a bounty hunting organisation (hopefully set in rules in 4.85). It is a military force, so the targets (Order, Nomads, Corsairs) shouldn't have to be bountied to be engaged. So please, don't place bounties for Core players to hunt after. It doesn't make sense - the Liberty Navy doesn't hunt bounties, so the Core should not be either.
Unfortunately this is the case when players who naturally inhabit those areas will be forced to play on the ships they may not want to. Myself I prefer fighters, I love my light fighter and enjoy good old fashioned fighter/bomber battles, same is true for the rest of the faction. But what of now? Such encounters become a true rarity. If some people find fun and enjoyment in playing this game running only huge ships en masse spoiling the fun for others who try to remain balanced to the game... then it's a wrong direction, and any roleplay reasons here are just poor excuses. Sure, bring on the big guns, but if it's only big guns in excessive amounts and nothing else? ...well, I've already been thinking to migrate from Omicrons, to move deep into bumpy Omegas instead. I have no enjoyment being forced to play the game the way a few people want it to be, and it seems majority here just want to dump the problem from a sick head to a healthy one. I'd like to keep things more or less balanced without sacrificing much of the established foundation, gameplay ethics we prefer to keep ourselves to. But three battlecruisers, a bounty hunger battleship, a zoner destroyer aided by legate and a battlestar all at the same time? Camping Iota jumphole? No thanks, go find yourself a peace of mind elsewhere.
' Wrote:Unfortunately, the rules will force the BH BCs, Battleships etc into the Omicrons, Omegas and Sigmas. Factions in these systems who are enemies with the Guild Core will likely have to step out of their fighters and switch to bombers or above.
Edit: A note, the Guild Core is not a bounty hunting organisation (hopefully set in rules in 4.85). It is a military force, so the targets (Order, Nomads, Corsairs) shouldn't have to be bountied to be engaged. So please, don't place bounties for Core players to hunt after. It doesn't make sense - the Liberty Navy doesn't hunt bounties, so the Core should not be either.
When I came to the community a year ago, I started out with a BH character, before I had any real knowledge of cap ships in the BH line. I had a Manta. When I eventually got out to the Omicrons and Omegas, what do you think I saw? Lots of Praetorian bombers, Lunchboxes and the very occasional Titan. My first ingame death occurred when I engaged an M26 who was tailing me. It was a faction Lunchbox, by the way. It wasn't the reason I went to the "dark side" of cap ship ownership, but it did nudge me in that direction a tiny bit. The biggest reason for eventually getting a cap ship is probably because I could. That, and the fact that I dislike having my npc missions last over 20 minutes.
So, I'd like to point out that well before the boom in BH capships, other players where flying around in ships other than the VHFs. If I were a fighter guy, I know I'd choose the bomber over the VHF - improved power plant, the ability to instavape your opponent with an SN, and (in numbers) the ability to take on anything up to a BS. And you don't have to trade for 2 weeks to get one fully equipped.
Concerning the Core and bounties: I'd like some clarification in this matter. For example, if a Corsair engages me in my ZOI, and he's got a bounty on him, can I legally claim it if he's destroyed?
To the rest of you out there who are moaning and groaning about BH capships coming to your neighborhood, remember that this is what the community wanted as a whole: Capships out of House space and into the Omegas, Omicrons and Sigmas where they belong.
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