Developments of the Bretonian Region

[pbrione]

Even with the amount of development in Edinburgh, it still doesn't seem like an attractive target for Mollys. Why would they want to target an OSC liner or a planet in terraforming? That's a bit pointless isn't it? Don't add a Molly base there, rather leave the one in Cambridge alone. If you really want a Corsair base in Bretonia, add one to the asteroid field with the Omega-5 jump hole there.

Well, the current plans include a BMM base in Edinburgh mining the field near to the Dublin hole. And mollies hate BMM more than anyone, so a molly presence in Edinburgh would seem to offer them better targets than Cambridge, which has no BMM as it is mined by the IMG

So some till-this-point-invisible asteroid field suddenly pops up around the Dublin JH and, miraculously, also has a brand-spanking new Molly base that Planetform, BAF, BPA, and Gaians have never seen constructed by the mass of Molly supply convoys heading, with no clear reason, towards Edinburgh?

Oh come on....

How do you expect anyone to make mod changes in that case? By your reasoning most of 4.85 shouldn't have happened because "previously invisible" planets and things appeared. Let's concentrate on discussing what ought to be where, not how to justify the suddenness of its appearance.

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Sir Stanley Nelson




<span style="color:#000066">Charles Canning </span><span style="color:#000066"> Foreign Secretary</span>

[beander2]

My first preference for Gateway, aside from Edinburgh - where Gateway's presence should be at least simultaneous to BMM and Bowex - is for a base in Manchester, perhaps opposite Sheffield. Gateway is extremely active in Liberty, our ally has a freeport in the next system, and the Sheffield infocard states Gateway has a regional office on the station. It would make sense for us to just build a new base there.

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Sir Alisdair Buchanan, KBE ~ Gateway)Trafalgar

[Dab]

Well, the current plans include a BMM base in Edinburgh mining the field near to the Dublin hole. And mollies hate BMM more than anyone, so a molly presence in Edinburgh would seem to offer them better targets than Cambridge, which has no BMM as it is mined by the IMG
Oh come on....

How do you expect anyone to make mod changes in that case? By your reasoning most of 4.85 shouldn't have happened because "previously invisible" planets and things appeared. Let's concentrate on discussing what ought to be where, not how to justify the suddenness of its appearance.

I expect new fields and planets to be in new systems.. Empty systems get filled in. Already-modded ones do in exceptional circumstances, and vanilla systems should rarely, if ever, get added solar content (nebula/field/planet/sun).

And while we're discussing what out to be where, please tell me what point there is in Mollys making a base in a system filled with nothing but enemies, and where Gaians are already terrorizing both Planetform and OS&C, meaning Mollys don't need to. Furthermore, being only a single jump hole away from the Molly headquarters, what is the point in making another base when it takes a Molly a matter of minutes to travel from Arranmore to Edinburgh and then accomplish whatever goal he is trying to accomplish.. Making a Molly base in Edinburgh is redundant and is of no benefit whatsoever to the Mollys. However, Cambridge has a major route to Rheinland, invading Corsairs, BAF breadbasket, IMG, and a jump from a system containing the Red Hessians, who are the 'Mollys' of Rheinland.
That location is also much more secure from the standpoint of Kusari. If Kusari takes all of Leeds, Edinburgh is at great risk. Why chance a base in a system KNF might invade? Cambridge on the other hand is much safer, but with a jump hole unknown to KNF that connects to Leeds, where the Mollys would be able to strike at them.

Also, why would Mollys give a toss about Planetform, OS&C, or Gaians? If Gaians stay out of the way, I doubt Mollys care much about them one way or another.

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[Kuraine]

Hmm, I have been working on several ideas lately, most notably the plan to add a jumpgate between newcastle and Cortez in order to allow another lawful exit from Newcastle and increase that system's prospects for player-based trading. It won't likely affect trade routes too much purely on the basis that the system is so bloody huge XD

Additionally, I think perhaps adding in a Corsair base in the ice field that contains the Omega 5 jumphole *or* adding a Corsair base into the field that contains the New London jumphole is probably a better idea that renaming/relocating Lisburn Rock.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Unseelie]

Updated/changed the first post. Its covers more of the new suggestions.

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[Dab]

Additionally, I think perhaps adding in a Corsair base in the ice field that contains the Omega 5 jumphole *or* adding a Corsair base into the field that contains the New London jumphole is probably a better idea that renaming/relocating Lisburn Rock.

As with the idea of putting a Molly base in Edinburgh, it'd be redundant. Not only do the Corsairs have plenty of bases already, but they have a huge one (Cadiz) in Omega-5, not more than 12k from the Cam JH. It takes a Corsair about 30 seconds to go from Cadiz to being inside Cambridge.. So what point would a base in that field have? It'd simply be yet another base to make yet another trade route for. It wouldn't help RP in any way, nor does it serve any other purpose other than a place 30 seconds closer to dock. Oh, and making Cadiz never get used anymore.

And for the field with the NL JH.. Do you honestly think Corsairs could ship enough goods through Cambridge to build a base on the other side of it without BAF, BPA, or the Mollys hearing of it? Once they do, Hessians find out from Mollys, and Corsairs are in a real bind. Not to mention supplying it would be a nightmare. On top of that, its still only one jump from their base in Omega-5.

Lastly the Corsairs can easily dock on Trafalgar if they need to be in New London. In Edinburgh they have Islay, the Gaian base. In Omega-3 is a Freeport. In Magellan is also a Freeport, owned by IMG (not unfriendly..). In Omega-49 is a Zoner base and planet where Corsairs can dock, and a heavy Corsair NPC population. In Dublin is the Hood. I don't see much of a problem in Corsairs finding places to dock while in Bretonia..

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[pbrione]

And for the field with the NL JH.. Do you honestly think Corsairs could ship enough goods through Cambridge to build a base on the other side of it without BAF, BPA, or the Mollys hearing of it? Once they do, Hessians find out from Mollys, and Corsairs are in a real bind. Not to mention supplying it would be a nightmare. On top of that, its still only one jump from their base in Omega-5.

Supplying or building unlawful bases anywhere inside lawful territory would be a nightmare in real terms. I think we just have to be open-minded and assume it is possible for the sake of the game mechanics to work.

Putting a corsair base somewhere in Bretonia is sensible, as they have a presence there, and can't really go on just using freeports and junkers, who are not all that happy allowing corsair invasion fleets to base themselves from their bases

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Sir Stanley Nelson




<span style="color:#000066">Charles Canning </span><span style="color:#000066"> Foreign Secretary</span>

[Friday]

All the way out to Cortez?

Would the gate on the Cortex side run a trade lane down to Curacao then?

I would imagine a new trade lane running off from the Molly base in newcastle, between the two fields to the Cortez jump gate.

Would the nearby jump holes be moved further away from the tradelane if this is the case?

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[Dab]

Trafalgar and the Zoner bases are for small fighter/bomber groups. Any invasion forces should be based out of Cadiz. You know, that giant Corsair base 30 seconds from Bretonia's 2nd-most important system..

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[Friday]

Say the war turns badly for the Bretonians.

Say they are forced to give up some territiry in the 'north' - but manage to retain control of the rest of Bretonia.

Reassessing the state of the nation - it seems logical that they would have to turn their attention 'south'.

This means Poole...and Omega-49.

Remember the reason the Zoners allow Corsairs around Gran Canaria?

Something to think about for the future, a loss to Kusari doesnt have to mean the end of Bretonia - perhaps a new dimension in conflict and diplomacy could be opened...

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