Quote:Yes, Gran Canaria is "owned" by the Zoners, but does that mean you should ignore all the rp issues that come along with a huge non zoner population living there?
No, sir, it does not.
But, I would also be foolish to ignore the "News".
Wuxtra! Mollys discover new jumphole from Londonderry!
Wuxtra! BAF Patrols seen in 49! They've discovered us!
A bow to the fellows in 52. They saw the writing on the wall.. that times they were a changin'. They "own" only one system, yet chose to remove a garrison from Canaria because our shared roleplay had "outgrown" it.
You yourself as TBH have changed, my friend. Welcome to Mindelo! Let's be neighbors! Rights bring obligations, but to shared futures.. not to musty pasts.
But, I would also be foolish to ignore the "News".
Wuxtra! Mollys discover new jumphole from Londonderry!
Wuxtra! BAF Patrols seen in 49! They've discovered us!
A bow to the fellows in 52. They saw the writing on the wall.. that times they were a changin'. They "own" only one system, yet chose to remove a garrison from Canaria because our shared roleplay had "outgrown" it.
You yourself as TBH have changed, my friend. Welcome to Mindelo! Let's be neighbors! Rights bring obligations, but to shared futures.. not to musty pasts.
I am all for holding hands and kumbyia, campfires and cuddling, that is once I make sure my folks are taken care of. One of the reasons I started all this with 49 was that I dont really understand what the Corsairs are getting out of it, why not pirate there if the Zoners are selling mining rights, and we corsairs who are providing some kind of protection from the system see no benefit from it, and only ships we for some reason are not supposed to pirate.... although, I firmly believe Corsairs should not be pirating within the established NFZ around Gran Canaria and Lanzorate.
So come on Mal, you going to bring the Marshmallows or am I? Maybe even some moonshine to make the night pass quicker?
We also have much more than a Garrison on Gran Canaria, and we dont intend to leave out population on Canaria without anyone to protect it.
First, the Corsairs on Canaria are protected by the NFZ.
Second, the Zoners are paying Corsairs via food and credits to do the defense. The miners you're attacking are supplying Canaria. So you're hurting yourselves by doing it. Also, you just made our point. The Corsairs are getting nothing out of this defense deal. And the only thing Zoners are getting is a bigger problem than they would've had if they hadn't hired Corsairs. Hence, why they (and we) want to abolish the agreement with the Corsairs.
Then you'd be under no obligation to leave those miners alone. Win, win, don't you think, so why argue? Corsairs will still be present in Omega-49, only there will also be other factions that have an RP reason to be there.
Third; If the Zoner Council were to vote to cancel the defense deal with the Corsairs, why shouldn't it be removed? (Removed as in; New news item stating that the Zoners have canceled the deal, not brushing it under the carpet.) It'd be supported by the Zoners. And the person who is paying is the one in charge of a contract.. There isn't really anything Corsairs can do if the Zoners decide they don't want to pay the Corsairs to defend Omega-49 anymore.
Besides, as you said, Corsairs want to pirate the miners. Contract gone and your restrictions are gone.
What deal? Can you get me some proof of this "deal"? Because as far as I know, it was done below board, and I have seen no reference to the Corsairs being payed anything, except secret routes and free access, but if you have something more concrete, I would love to see it.
Good good! Now we've got some juices flowing! I'll be happy to bring the marshmallows.. you've earned them.
You're absolutely right, Michael. We fabricated the deal as a way to sell the corsairs more food.
Ok.. given your paradigm of an exchange, (your access to Bretonia for your protection of Zoner interests) instead of a "contract" or "deal", I don't think anyone is suggesting that your right of passage or access be removed.
And I retract the example of the SCRA as something akin to your own sitiuation. Merely trying to point out that in some situations roleplay can shape "history", and changes can and are made contrary to "canon".
We have that opportunity. I hope the discussion continues to our mutual benefit.
We defiantly can change, as long as it is not unilateral, and it fits in with the general course of events historically, and was consistent with each groups rp.
Canceling any 'agreements' (to not use the word deal) would be perfectly within Zoner's RP and history. We're fence sitters. Once having Corsairs guard Omega-49 is no longer beneficial (and it is detrimental at this point), canceling the 'agreement' would be the best course of action.
Also, we don't exactly need the Corsair's permission to stop hiring them..
' Wrote:Canceling any 'agreements' (to not use the word deal) would be perfectly within Zoner's RP and history. We're fence sitters. Once having Corsairs guard Omega-49 is no longer beneficial (and it is detrimental at this point), canceling the 'agreement' would be the best course of action.
Also, we don't exactly need the Corsair's permission to stop hiring them..
I dont quite think you all are understanding what I am putting out there, the "agreement" is mute, the idea from the Zoners was that the Corsairs doing their business in Bretonia would keep the Brets away from 49, now that the Sairs are all established and know the routes, you cant stop them from using those routes to do whatever, if it makes you all feel better, cancel whatever deal you think there is here, it's not really going to change the situation on the ground in the slightest.
Right, we seem to agree that a "divorce" isn't going to change the fact that we're sleeping together until the landlord tells us differently.
I address this next one to Sairs general then. And OPG, TBH, Benitez, jump in. You have a voice here too.
Are these few indy "persons of interest" in, or out, of roleplay given the current sitiuation in Omega 49?
If they are oorp, then would diplomatic overtures to major 'sair factions really do anything to help the situation, or is that stuff just eye candy?
Next, the TAZ have publicly broadcast a "most unwanted list", for purposes of exacting recompense/retribution/Chao-tipping.
I would like to think that such a list, even if adopted and enforced by the entire Council, would be seen and accepted for what it is. A response to individuals for individual offenses, and not a condemnation of any group or Faction's rp or "history".
Corsairs should retain the right of access and passage to 49. But in return, we Zoners should have the priviledge of declaring the odd individual hostile for any of the reasons stated on our IDs, without fear of the entire Corsair nation coming down upon our heads.
While I quite categorically stated the terms of the Zoner ID, The C/corsairs fall into a different bracket ...
That comes under the 'You can't have your cake and eat it too' codicil. Not a specific rule per se, but
one of those generally considered a common sense and fairplay one.
If certain individuals want to pirate in what could be considered a non-canon situation, then they can live
with the results, canon or not.
Live by the sword, and there is a good chance you will find one stuck firmly in your back at some future
point.
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