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[P*Funk]

The way you enforce it is by signing and ratifying a treaty. Lets face it, the UN or international courts are all honour systems. The UN doesn't enforce jack against 1st world nations because they all have veto powers. Enforcement comes from political pragmatism and outmanoevering in public. You force one party or another to be accountable to their promises or conduct. See what I would find fascinating is if the way one house faction conducts itself in the generic inter-sirius body caused many other factions to react. Make RP politics into a slightly more organic living thing, as opposed to it just being staged and controlled by the party interested in it. There would be limits, but what if being a dick ont he intergalactic stage made everyone hate you? Maybe you'd not be so aggressive.

The other thing is it could follow the trends and currents of the current Mod story arc. Start with convening to discuss disputes with Kusari complaining about Bretonia's alliance with the Mollies who are mining up Tau-31. Then have Liberty and Rheinland bitch at each other sideways about sovereignty and the like since they're spoiling for a way. Make Liberty look aggressive and Rheinland defensive since they need to delay for time to prepare for whatever war might come, them being the weaker navy. You could have nations or systems represented by their owners. For instance OSC has a few systems, right in the middle of the war paths. OSC could be like a Poland caught between the USSR and Germany or a Belgium stuck between a France and Germany. It would be a great forum for not only exploring the limits of existing RP background but also practicing with them interacting with their natural counterparts and adversaries.

Lots of people don't like this idea. I'd go for it, as long as it was delegates speaking in an allowed order, like maybe a speaker of the house system, and it wasn't a free for all bitch fest.

EDIT. @Ace... really... I don't want to bitch you out. But honestly, you've seen the in game chat system. You can't organize factions and diplomacy in that. Its clumsy and limiting. You want to just run around and PvP all the time then go o the PvP server. Here we want a reason to have a PvP, and not just cause it'd be wicked sick to see crap blowd up real guuud. RP is why we're here, and its fun. Don't sh1t on our parade cause you don't have the patience for it.

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[Offspring21989]

IMG would be there, as it is effectively an independent littlle nation, as would the GMG. The Zoners might... it's unknown.

Doesn't the IMG only have a few bases? They would probably be too small to even be recognized. If you read the base Info, Falkland base holds maybe a thousand people? Their other bases, may have 100 people each. That is the size of a large corporation. Kind of reminds me of the East India Trading Company of the UK. I don't think they really have a similar form of government. It is more of a Corporate Hierachy.:unsure:

The Order would be represented, lambasting Liberty for having laboratories with live Nomad experiments.

Yeah, but remember, they are "Terrorists". I don't see the Al Khieda at the UN meetings. =P:P

[P*Funk]

Yeah, but remember, they are "Terrorists". I don't see the Al Khieda at the UN meetings. =P:P

You see Iran don't you? Venezuela, Cuba, Lebanon, Syria, Lybia. They're all nations that are ostensibly hated by the west and its allies, yet they get a voice too. It can't just be the good guys. Plus what constitutes a nation in Freelancer? Some small factions control as many systems as the houses did in vanilla. That and we could have some nations representing proxy concerns. We don't have the mollies or GC or Liberty Rogues there but we might have Outcast lawyers promoting their interests or maybe Bretonia defending the new 'freedom fighters' of Dublin since its in their national interest to delay any reaction to the Molly issues with their RP these days. Kusari is involved with Hogosha, Rheinland is probably the only virginal state politically but RepEx could be pushing them to be aggressive about anti-corsair talk cause of our recent RP.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Yeah, but remember, they are "Terrorists". I don't see the Al Khieda at the UN meetings. =P:P

The Order are also respected as scientific experts on the Nomads after the Nomad War. Their status as experts and heroes would get them listened to, like many charities and academics.

IMG own systems, or large parts thereof. That screams 'nation' or close-enough, to me. An remember, they are independent from all other nations, so would want their views expressed directly. East India Company would be more like BMM or Bowex.

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[Jihadjoe]

@Ace, what happened to you 'go get 'em, cya in game talk now eh???? did you get interested in the concept?

Anyhow, having debated this I actually like the idea a lot. The question in my mind is how (and where, in game or on the forum) should this be be set up?

I agree that the in game chat thing is far too clumsy so perhaps it should be done over skype or something, or maybe there should be a system devoted to the court in the next version so that only delegates could enter. ,maybe just a base in some neutral system would be the best thing for it, or even in new york? also, how would the participating factions elect their delagtes or would we just leave that up to them to figure out. maybe just faction leaders?

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[Offspring21989]

You see Iran don't you? Venezuela, Cuba, Lebanon, Syria, Lybia. They're all nations that are ostensibly hated by the west and its allies, yet they get a voice too. It can't just be the good guys. Plus what constitutes a nation in Freelancer? Some small factions control as many systems as the houses did in vanilla. That and we could have some nations representing proxy concerns. We don't have the mollies or GC or Liberty Rogues there but we might have Outcast lawyers promoting their interests or maybe Bretonia defending the new 'freedom fighters' of Dublin since its in their national interest to delay any reaction to the Molly issues with their RP these days. Kusari is involved with Hogosha, Rheinland is probably the only virginal state politically.

Now we get to discuss an even BIGGER topic! "What is the difference between good and bad?"
Sure, Germany thought they were the big thing back in the 30's and 40's. (well, people who supported the Nazi party anyways). So calling countries "Good and Bad" really kills the whole purpose of a "World Court". Every Nation has their own opinion. Who put the President of Iran in power? The CIA. It is more of regret than anything else. The CIA funded those radical Islamic groups during the cold war, to oppose the spread of the Iron Curtain. The only regret that they have now is that they control the Oil fields. So they kicked off Operation Iraqi Liberation(OIL) but later changed the name...

Now, back to Imaginary land...

I was using Al Khieda and the Taliban as a reference certain organizations and millitary groups that do not auctually have a county, but they do operate within countrys. That is the whole point. The IMG operate in systems, but do they auctually Govern them? They are not an auctual government, but an organization. I don't think the houses would agree to recognize that. We can all Imagine that they are some vast civillization, but they are just a derelict group of miners that operate outside the reaches of any soverign government.

They have Millitary units. So do corporations that work in Iraq. They hire private contractors. Mercenaries.

[bluntpencil2001]

The IMG govern systems such as Magellan, and, to an extent, Tau-31 and others.

P Funk obviously knows that it is more complex than 'good' and 'bad' by the way...

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[Offspring21989]

@Ace, what happened to you 'go get 'em, cya in game talk now eh???? did you get interested in the concept?

Anyhow, having debated this I actually like the idea a lot. The question in my mind is how (and where, in game or on the forum) should this be be set up?

I agree that the in game chat thing is far too clumsy so perhaps it should be done over skype or something, or maybe there should be a system devoted to the court in the next version so that only delegates could enter. ,maybe just a base in some neutral system would be the best thing for it, or even in new york? also, how would the participating factions elect their delagtes or would we just leave that up to them to figure out. maybe just faction leaders?

I saw some guy claim that the IMG is a Civillization. I just thought that was rather silly. We all know that a Civilization is the type of culture and society developed by a large collective of nations and regions. How can a company fit that role?

P Funk obviously knows that it is more complex than 'good' and 'bad' by the way...

Yeah. He is a cool guy. I didn't mean any offense when I said that. I was just adding to the topic...thought it would be a good thing to keep in mind since it was not brought up yet.

[Jihadjoe]

good and bad only have relevance to one another, if you remove the concept of bad then the concept of good also disintegrates.

politics is not about good and bad, its about success and failure, popularity and unpopularity (for want of a better word). there are many people who are not represented within the UN. There are currently three governments laying claim to Somalia and none of them have and representation at all. and there are countries that say they exist and yet no member of the international community is willing to accept it. however it does TRY to be inclusive. The IMG and GMG are a difficult case in that they both have a specific function one mines gas and the other just mines, the clue is in the name. however they both have extremely independent mindsets which might cause them to set up some form of government. they both seen to control systems so why shouldn't they participate. they wouldn't have a veto like the house factions would but hey they can try.

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[Praetyre]

The GMG is highly comparable to Saudi Arabia in status. It isn't militarily powerful, but it is powerful due to it's control of vital propulsion technology, like Ageira's monopoly on trade lanes and jump gates.

Also, no offense, but Operation Iraqi Freedom isn't spelled OIL.

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