' Wrote:It made it easier to manage, recruit for, and maintain, and gave it immediate official status, which is almost a necessity for an intelligence faction to have to operate fully.
Would like to add, I did do it with the BDM and at the time, the [RM] said what you are saying now... "Don't make this group, we already handle it". Well sorry to say this but you aren't handling it in a satisfactory manner. For it to work well and be at its best possible ability, it needs full attention. Not BAF leadership wanting to swing their wand over the BAF and the Bretonian Spy faction.
' Wrote:Would like to add, I did do it with the BDM and at the time, the [RM] said what you are saying now... "Don't make this group, we already handle it". Well sorry to say this but you aren't handling it in a satisfactory manner. For it to work well and be at its best possible ability, it needs full attention. Not BAF leadership wanting to swing their wand over the BAF and the Bretonian Spy faction.
You obviously didn't read my posts fully. I have not said "Don't make this group, we already handle it." In fact, I wasn't even the one who brought up BIS. If you'd like to read my first post again, you'll see I specifically said; "If you want to make IAB, pick a different leader."
I'm fully okay with an intelligence faction. I'm overstretched on work already, BIS was made on request. But we won't support an intelligence faction run by Murphy. He's caused enough problems already, we've run out of patience with him.
That's fine and your choice. It's not going to stop people from giving their opinion though. That's why admins require a public creation request that is open for people to post in. So that proper feedback can be made. Ignoring feedback concerning the faction, especially constructive and legitimate feedback over proven concerns, is not a good way to get the admins to look on this positively.
Right in a effort to stop this thread from snowballing out into a we hate murphy/we disagree thread. I will say this yes I am sure that avalanche and the others know about murphy's past history and arguments however I am sure that they are happy with Murphy as leader and are giving him their full support and have given him a chance to lead and who know's he may surprise his "Nay-Sayers" and in respect I think the OP and the IAB) group have given answer to this feedback which some may/may not disagree.
Quote:At this moment in time, the faction will be run by who is stated in the OP. Your comments won't change that.
I feel that has quite adequately answer the concern over murphy and his previous conduct and please the bold part is basically saying what I mentioned above so please in effort to resolve this. Please drop the subject as an answer has already been given
' Wrote:Ironic... Not one single post in this thread has helped the further development of the IAB. Not one.
Its all been "Glad to see this back" or "Death to Murphy"
Well, I think that's the crux of the matter.
The concept of the faction is solid. It's an interesting turn, and if you folks can handle it right, it'll be splendid. The actual goals, content, and ideas behind the faction itself aren't in question.
It's that many of us cannot support this faction when we see who's in charge of it. Say what you will about feedback, but the leader is the person who drives the faction - who pushes it to evolve and grow and sets the standard by which those in the faction follow. Given Murphy's history, and the statements of many in this thread, we don't expect good things. I do, however, realize that this is not the unanimous opinion of every single person in the community. It should not be disregarded as hate, though.
I hope to be proved wrong. I want to be proved wrong. But I won't hold my breath. You know how the adage goes. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Call it Murphy hate if you want, but they say the definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Dab's listed the past events where Wolf has had ample opportunity to prove himself. It's all ended less than pleasantly. We're not hating, we're learning from our mistakes.
So, I reiterate. The faction itself is lovely on paper. I cannot support it under its current leadership, however. That does not mean we can force a leadership change, just don't expect warm fuzzies from everyone.
This pretty much sums up my attitude to the comments at the moment until something constructive pops up
What has been said has been constructive, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it wasn't constructive. I'm curious as to why Murphy didn't post this and why he isn't here taking feed back? Possibly because he knows his past was going to be brought up and he knows what he did was wrong and is staying silent at the behest of other members of the faction?
I've nothing against Murphy, but seeing as this is a Bretonian faction that has to work with the BAF & other Bretonian factions the leadership has to be able to get along with the leadership of the factions it interacts with. Murphy's history here very clearly shows he has no intention to try to get along with any other player faction and only wants to do what he wants to do, how he wants to do it.
That attitude will be the downfall of this faction. As it already killed the IAB once. History, learn from it.
Would it hurt Murphy to merely be a member of IAB's HC? Let another actually take the leader position? I mean, in most of my factions the leader title is just that. A title. He doesn't own the faction, the members do.
Basically, for the betterment of the faction, why can't Murphy step down and let someone else where the tiara? Or is it more about Murphy and less about the faction itself?
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