Current Sirius state of affairs between very unlikely alleys

[Reverend Del]

I strongly suspect that a lot of the original folks who sided with the coalition sympathisers would have changed their names voluntarily, and now you have folks descended from them. Anyone who was to defect now would likely keep their own name.

As for the ID being Coalition and not SCRA, well that's fairly simply a matter of Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army being a tad long winded to write on an ID. It is an SCRA ID, it's only open to the SCRA to have. Unlike the Keeper/Nomad IDs there isn't a lesser version for other folks to play with. Ergo in this one technical matter Coalition = SCRA. In every lore related matter Coalition =/= SCRA. The SCRA are merely folks who're looking at the Eastern Coalition through a telescope blurred by 800 years of history.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

Another weird issue with the SCRA. If most are now made up of Hispanics and other renegade characters from Sirius and not Sol, why do most have Russian and Chinese names? Do they get a name change upon joining?

Last time I checked, the saboteurs on Hispania weren't necesarrily Hispanic. Volgograd and JiangXi have large Russian/Chinese populations. How, I don't recall off the top of my head.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[SA_Scavenger]

2) The SCRA is not a direct descendent of the Eastern Coalition. It was founded much later by Sirians, emulating the Sol Coalition. They like to claim heritage from the saboteurs on the Hispania, but they were dust by the time the SCRA was founded. It's just Communist editing of the media to suit its own needs, at the end of the day. The Eastern Coalition of Sol has been dead and gone for 800 years. 800 years from now, I doubt people will remember much of anything about the Nazis either. Well, unless CoD is still about, in which case people will still be playing WW2 shooters in World at War XXXXIV.

Last time I checked, the saboteurs on Hispania weren't necesarrily Hispanic. Volgograd and JiangXi have large Russian/Chinese populations. How, I don't recall off the top of my head.

If it's not a direct line, as Jammi suggests it isn't, then they would be using the names from their Sirius origins. Unless they specifically adopted Coalition names which then brings into question their motives as Adam suggested. And if there is no direct relation, where would they get large populations of Chinese and Russians? Also, the SCRA constantly use material from the 19th and 20th century, with relation to Karl Marx and other fore bearers of Communism, Socialism and Marxism, in their conversations and posts. This then further creates a problem. For if they were to forget the past of 800 years ago, as Alvin states, and have no relation to that, why would they be using the very same authors of that knowledge? That itself is a very direct link.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

If it's not a direct line, as Jammi suggests it isn't, then they would be using the names from their Sirius origins. Unless they specifically adopted Coalition names which then brings into question their motives as Adam suggested. And if there is no direct relation, where would they get large populations of Chinese and Russians? Also, the SCRA constantly use material from the 19th and 20th century, with relation to Karl Marx and other fore bearers of Communism, Socialism and Marxism, in their conversations and posts. This then further creates a problem. For if they were to forget the past of 800 years ago, as Alvin states, and have no relation to that, why would they be using the very same authors and knowledge? That itself is a very direct link.

Ah, but thats the thing. Our ideals and systems are based still on Marx, Zedong, etc, BUT we take those ideals, and tweak them.

When we say Sol Coalition =/= SCRA, we mean in manners of attack. We're not that guy on the Volga attacking base Kennedy; We're US.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[SA_Scavenger]

Ah, but thats the thing. Our ideals and systems are based still on Marx, Zedong, etc, BUT we take those ideals, and tweak them.

When we say Sol Coalition =/= SCRA, we mean in manners of attack. We're not that guy on the Volga attacking base Kennedy; We're US.

That's what all socialists say! Ours will work, they were all wrong but we're right! We've tweaked ours and now it's utopia for all! And Jeremy, if you can remember Karl Marx and Zedong and use their propaganda, you can and should remember the Coalition/Alliance war. The very fact that a few survivors of the Coalition on board the Alliance ships could maintain a full working knowledge of the Soviet era means they would have a very dedicated archive of historical evidence. Therefore their motives are based very much on that and then Adam might actually have a point.

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[Dane Summers]

Let me address one thing, since it was brought up.

You mentioned Zoners shooting at folks who shoot at SCRA?

If this is in reference to the SCRA who were present at FP1 at the start of the Omega War - here's the explanation of someone who was right in the middle.

Rheinland Military comes - has words with BAF - stupidity ensues - BAF gets there butts kicked. At the time, ive got a bit of a small force to protect my NFZ, and make sure that im not targeted by either side. In comes two SCRA who see that my defense force is pretty paper thin, and offer to help - one of them is a capship - since I dont have any, i say "yeah, sure why not" because i can use all the help I can get.
Plus, there was more going into this decision - up until that point, I had been courting the SCRA to deal with the Corsair problem - If i have to explain to you why I would need someone to keep me safe from corsairs, then your grasp of disco politics is weak - anyway - I said yes, just so i didnt have to say no.

In the end, said SCRA got killed - i got killed - everyone else got killed - and i regard the idea as one of the worst decisions ive made politically in my time running FP1.

I was defending SCRA - they were defending me.

But, I would be lying if that situation was entirely one sided - there were lots of retarded indie RM who fired against orders from officials - I know this because FP1 worked out its issues with Lobster in skype, and ended up having Rheinland become its biggest ally. So in the end, a massive negative turned into a pretty good positive.

As for the SCRA\IMG\CR - believe what you want Spire, but your really looking at things through G-man goggles. Not healthy.

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[mtjsmith]

I really don't see what the issue is here.

You're complaining about how we go about our roleplay when you're not in our faction. The only reason, that I see, why you are complaining is because we are not doing things as *you* think we should be doing them.

We're unfriendly with the AGS-U because they want us dead. That was their choice, not ours. Go ask them and they'll tell you.

If you are referring to my post to the Republic of Liberty, the Hessians are allies of ours. Their goals are ours. So of course, if I'm trying to appease the Republic - I'll offer them something worthwhile. Smacking down a corporation seemed a good idea at the time.

Now of course, we will never win. We control one system against Liberty/Rheinland/Bretonia/Kusari/Malta/Crete.

If we were enemies with *everyone* we would get wiped out. Our nature is to make and break alliances as and when needed to ensure our home is not attacked.

Let me be clear - I won't tolerate conspiracy theories regarding OOC friendships. They do not dictate our RP.

Now -

On another note, No official thread has to be made for a bounty/mercenary contract to exist. There are plenty of in game on the spot merc contracts via pm that avoid a paper trail. So to say a faction has no board posted in no way exonerates them from the in game hiring of a merc to do their dirty work. Which is done, a lot.

Are you saying we should have a bounty board? Or are you saying we should hire mercs?

Hah

No. Never. Killing for money is looked on very badly by us.

As for the Chinese/Russian thing. The Chinese bit is mostly me. The Russian is pretty much everyone else. Why? Well read our RP story on what we did to the Hispania.

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[blubba]

What a lot of cobblers.
Some people will say anything.....and anything is possible in RP.....to justify their 'current' RP.

"I found this battleship..." anyone?
We've never heard that before have we?

It is WAY more important who you have on skype and how much power you have than you're actual Roleplay

Not sure?
If you knew the people behind a lot of the tech requests and who they have on their contacts lists, you'd be somewhat disappointed sadly.

It's not fair to point the finger at so few factions though. Have a look at Bretonia and it's myriad of 'active' factions. The Mollys for example?
Too many 'friends' makes Mollyville a very bland place to be.

I read a skype post in a somewhat Disco relevant chat which declared that "everyone in the omega's is allied to the Hessians". It's something people who operate down there have known for a VERY long time. Sadly, those alliances are far bigger than the omega's (although I'm not referring specifically to the Hessians here). Certain individuals have influences far further reaching than most players here realize and these relationships damage RP far more than nurture it.

Factions claiming that "We have similar goals" to your face whilst in RP claim they seek total domination really need to look at themselves and their alliances more closely. Get realistic and no, that comment was not aimed at anyone specifically.

Factions should consider making their groups a little more individual and therefore, a little more diverse. That is what will make this a better place. These under the table alliances/friendships are killing it.

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[Pancakes]

Wihtout looking in 200000 posts Imma reply to OP:

Council - CR realtions:
We both hate outcasts if you want details up to the small ones I'll give it but cba now.
We both hate Royalists, and we both operate in nearly same areas.

Council - IMG:
IMG was the first Sirian faction Council met inRP, and was quite welcoming toward them. IMG inRP also terraform a planet for the Council. Both hate outcasts again details if you really want.

Council - Hessians:
None Existent.

Council - SCRA:
Nothing special, for Council SCRA are just any other Sirians that sometimes pay a visit to Gallia. (last one was ages ago, last one that I saw anyway)

Council - Order:
Order are no fans of OCs since they worship nomnoms (from what I inquired from a talking with some Res' Order| cruiser near Java)
Order hate nomnoms, Council are no fan of nomnoms cuz they shot us few times on Alpha Raids.
moreover there is very low connection between the Order and The Council, these are mere reasons for -maybe- future contact.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[SA_Scavenger]

I really don't see what the issue is here.

There is no issue from my side, maybe from Adam's. I'm just discussing the issues that were brought up.

Let me be clear - I won't tolerate conspiracy theories regarding OOC friendships. They do not dictate our RP.

As for the Chinese/Russian thing. The Chinese bit is mostly me. The Russian is pretty much everyone else. Why? Well read our RP story on what we did to the Hispania.

You really don't have much say in any conspiracy theory about OOC friendships, any move in regard to trying to quell that will just give more evidence to conspiracy theorists. Best thing you can do is provide evidence to the contrary and tolerate it, even if you don't like it. After all, everyone else has to do the same. What makes you so special?

And can you please provide a link to the what you did on the Hispania, besides being Coalition saboteurs?

It might be good to get out of the bubble your RP finds itself in and listen or at least tolerate a different view point. There is no 'must', you can do what you want with the discussions going on here, no one is forcing anything, as far as I can tell.

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