Liberty Air Force Feedback

[Korny]

Y'know, your factions are mostly fine and dandy, but I would honestly consider you to stop creating new ones at a pace like that.

Instead, you could try to actually...Iunno', stick with one and actually work it out properly. Right now it appears that you put zero dedication into the creation of all these factions, especially since they all die a few weeks later. That's the point when you start a new one.

I don't really get it, honestly.

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[Death.RunningVerminator]

Y'know, your factions are mostly fine and dandy, but I would honestly consider you to stop creating new ones at a pace like that.

Instead, you could try to actually...Iunno', stick with one and actually work it out properly. Right now it appears that you put zero dedication into the creation of all these factions, especially since they all die a few weeks later. That's the point when you start a new one.

I don't really get it, honestly.

This. You make so many factions and yes they are good but please stop and just focus on one or two.

Oh and I don't like the idea... liberty doesn't need anything else right now. And besides,, it would be better for you if you waited till after the update to make a faction.

[Hielor]

Read post 26.

Post 26 says absolutely nothing about what will distinguish your air force from the navy.

Also what DRV said. Liberty needs more people like skyrim guards need more arrows to the knee...that is, not at all.

[Mao]

What Korny & DRV said. Also, Liberty has everything covered and some extra too. It doesn't need more stuff, certainly not another faction which has exactly the same goals as the LN.

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[Govedo13]

It really depends how this will be played- if you make group of people that fly occasionally around with some tag- I see no reason to put effort into it- there are tons of such groups around, but if you make group of people that does not fly around alone or with wingmate but goes only in game with carrier and 4-8 escorts it sounds like good idea-events or casual big brawls.
I also think that in order to have battle group you need for sure 2 cruisers and 2 GBs and one repair ship otherwise the whole PvP abilities of this would be severely limited ( the enemy will target the carrier and kill it fast then it will be common snub brawl nothing new)
The hardest part is to make all with the timing- to make good part of the people in this log at the same time and when there is need for them- hard to accomplish really. I mean if you have 3 liberty groups on- LN LSF and NG for example- they have each couple of ships in the same brawl-sadly it is really rare to see more then 4-5 tagged ships flying together at the same time.
It is really hard to organise events in this server- they end with like 3 ships per side and there are brutal melees with more then 10 ships per side but they are not organised. Like a year or two ago there were battleslots events- that were fun really.
I have guardian somewhere but I will wait to see how this will work.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[JIVA]

in my opinion - that faction proposal is a good example of - lets say... a side along evolution.

the navy is quite a behemoth ( that is the [LN] ) - it is a very old faction - probably quite set in its ways. - changing those ways might be hard.... and even if successful - tis course may not take dramatic changes ( unless forced to do so by the devs )

objectivly - i think that this new faction would be perfect as a special branch INSIDE the [LN] - which would actually provide various advantages:

- you can patrol the space much more efficiently ( like shooting idiot pirates that prance around before cruisers .... if you used cruisers )
- you d have access to FR1 to 5 etc
- if you were only "temporary" - you could easily be disbanded and integrated into the LN - or simply vanish
- if you became superpopular and "the next big thing in the liberty lawful RP" - you could peacefully.... take over the LN ( after all - thats how the re-volution of new factions vs. old factions is MEANT to happen - in our "one-faction-per-npc-faction"- concept

actually - being part of the LN doesn t have ANY downsides at all. - provided you are all accepted. - and of course depending on your freedom of choice as a commander of such a sub-unit. but if the LN didn t agree with you - you wouldn t do well as separate part of the liberty navy either - so what gives....

about the name - i, too - consider it un-fitting. thats mostly, cause we are used to think of space being plowed across in "ships" like "water" - and not as if it was air. its a matter of association.



another beneficial point about being a subfaction inside a faction is that it requires less work. - its mutual beneficial. - you don t need to care for 30 hours activity - cause you re supported by other, normal LN, and the LN gets some free activity - and who knows.... good RP.

so from my pov, the main question is not about the name or the concept itself. - its just "is there any real downside for being a part of an official faction?"

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[Avalanche]

Right now it appears that you put zero dedication into the creation of all these factions, especially since they all die a few weeks later. That's the point when you start a new one.

IC = Stable
Mollys = Very active
BDM = Stable.

We obviously have different meanings of the word 'die'ing. The point I'm getting at there is, you're wrong. Quite simply. I have left factions in the past, but I don't see why that is an issue. Unless if I did leave the LAF but I won't. So your comment has no real weight here.

I've chosen Liberty since it is my favorite house. It is also one of the most active and a faction like this where its a bit sketchy to begin with, needs those numbers. Its happened, no point brining up that point anymore.

[Avalanche]

It really depends how this will be played - if you make group of people that fly occasionally around with some tag- I see no reason to put effort into it - there are tons of such groups around, but if you make group of people that does not fly around alone or with wingmate but goes only in game with carrier and 4-8 escorts it sounds like good idea - events or casual big brawls.

We're the latter. The Carrier will only be brought out in events I'd say. It won't be a case of 3 Rheinland Caps at Texas so I go "Right, get the carrier". I'll never do that. Instead we'll get the snubs. Like I said, the carrier will most likely only be events only.

I am going to try and organize events, I know it is hard like you said, but it'll work out. Just takes time as all things do as this faction will.

@ cheshire. That won't be happening.

[McNeo]

Well... I have a few problems with this.

Firstly, a carrier is a naval ship. The Air Force of today tends to be based off of airstrips and other bases, and tends to act in a long-range strike or short-range defense role. Navies are used to project power, specifically with the mobile air bases called carriers. To be honest though, this is a bit irrelevant, as this is space, and not the sea.

I can't see atmospheric-only aircraft being used to support any offensive actions, as this limits their ability to land anywhere except on ships specifically designed to extract them from the atmosphere. As for aircraft already being able to go into space for a short time, I'd say that's more due to the momentum generated by going up at an angle of 45 degrees at mach 3 than any real method of propulsion once in space. Again though, Im not an aerospace engineer.

My main issue though is that, at the moment, and contrary to how you believe the LAF will be seen, I do feel that it is "just another Liberty group". It's not really fresh as an idea, as we saw with the LMC (marines, airforce, different department, same reason for creation). I also feel that we may encounter similar problems with cooperating. This is what causes me to groan the most, as [LN] has been down that well-trodden path many times before. When I hear "seperate command structure", I also hear "will be considered with the same authority as LN HC", which is what other groups have expected in the past, without putting in the effort required for such a position of authority. This was the root of the problems we had in cooperating.

By all means try to succeed, but if you're looking for support, I am skeptical at best. Typical British cynicism, I suppose.

[Korny]

IC = Stable
Mollys = Very active
BDM = Stable.

We obviously have different meanings of the word 'die'ing. The point I'm getting at there is, you're wrong. Quite simply. I have left factions in the past, but I don't see why that is an issue. Unless if I did leave the LAF but I won't. So your comment has no real weight here.

I've chosen Liberty since it is my favorite house. It is also one of the most active and a faction like this where its a bit sketchy to begin with, needs those numbers. Its happened, no point brining up that point anymore.

Funny that you pick out those examples that suit your argument best. You and I both know that you've created more factions than that. Apart from that, I don't see the BDM around, nor the Mollies. IC ? Dunno', but that's not really something to be proud of, since it's powertrading under a faction banner, in my opinion.

Saying that my comment has no weight, well, if that's how you want to look at it. I've been merely trying to give my feedback. If my feedback has no weight for you, I suppose you're not the faction mastermind as I thought you'd be.

Also, trying to cover up the mistakes you did with a few minor factions that are basically bleeding out so badly that you don't even notice it, is also a poor form.

But that's all just my talk, if you want it or not, that's how I see it.

Peace.

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