' Wrote:It took me 10 mins of crashing into one of your judge people for them to finally find out what was going on only to find himself 2k out of newark.
Yesterday I saw a Tridente shooting up a Cattle Bruiser right over Missouri that had gone AFK, the LNS had blocked the station's line of sight so the gunboat took very little damage. The cruiser lost three-quarters of its hull before another LNS came along and asked the Outcast to retreat. Yep, they asked and quite politely too. Naturally, the Outcast obliged and got away scot-free.
' Wrote:Yep, just logged in now and saw your boys pew pewing each other behind Newark. Go to conn.
My experiences with you guys have been pretty negative. All I ever see you do is hug Newark - except for one time a long time ago you guys ganked my junker bulldog for having 1 unit of Cardamine and being verbally disrespectful towards the law. That happened ~10K out of Newark, and you were 3 ships.
It seems to me that you only ever fight when you outnumber your opponent, when there is no risk of you losing a ship. The rest of the time you sit in front of Newark and spam the local chat.
Sorry, but get away from Newark and fly around Liberty, and you might leave a different impression of yourselves.
Quote:Albert Einstein came to the United States in 1933 as Hitler assumed power in Germany. He was a man of peace. Enrico Fermi left Italy in 1933 for Canada and then the US. He was a man of peace. The list goes on. These men came together in a country that had exactly 12 functional tanks total at that time. Together and with the help of many others, they built the atomic bomb and vaulted the US into the position of super power, where it has remained ever since. The point is, a few people in an agricultural third rate power, had a tremendous influence.
Quite a creative way of looking at history... First of all, I am fairly sure that the US had more than 12 tanks at the time, secondarily what does tanks in any way have to do with construction the atom bomb? Mind you that the Manhattan Project employed more than 130.000 people and cost $2 billion at the time (equivalent to $25.8 billion in 2012 according to wiki). By no means were the US an "agricultural third rate power" at the time, and by no means did the a-bomb in itself "vault the US into a position of super power".
4 guys doing nothing but hugging Newark 24/7 and now requesting a cap ship line makes no sense, no matter how creative you are with your understanding of history and how the real world works. Where did the money and man-power come from? Nobody ever got rich from cypering, you know?
I apologize up front for taking so long to answer three pages of statements and questions so thoughtfully added to our request for official status. I have I hope collated them all and will answer them one by one.
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#1. Tobi.Reaper QUOTE(Judge Logan @ Aug 17 2012, 11:26 PM)
Tobi.Reaper - we are never AFK at Newark
Let me add this now then. It took me 10 mins of crashing into one of your judge people for them to finally find out what was going on only to find himself 2k out of newark. Did that person take a newspaper to that bathroom break?
ANS: I do not know where he was. Perhaps he was screening patron abuse by another player for a report. Who knows?
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#2a. QUOTE(Miranda @ Aug 15 2012, 06:20 PM)
As much as I hate having to agree with Tobi, I agree with everything he said. Get off Newark and get out there ingame doing stuff. Seriously, I should charge you for parking:)
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#2b. AshHill07 Aug 17 2012, 09:01 PM
Only ever seen you either at Newark parked or flying off as a group to somewhere I have no idea where.
ANS: We either are there or we are not. We cannot be both. In fact Miranda we do often 'fly off' doing 'ingame stuff' Where, what, when and how is our own business.
#3. QUOTE(Death.RunningVerminator @ Aug 18 2012, 02:39 AM)
Didn't you lot get OC caps and bring them to Liberty seeking revenge cause you were mad at the LN or something?
ANS: No we never did that. Good of you to make the inference on our application thread though and I appreciate the thought.
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#4. Crackpunch Aug 18 2012, 02:24 AM
One little group in an asteroid field built a capital fleet, while the Junkers with their massive amounts of resources, manpower, and facilities haven't managed to build a gunboat.
Seems legit.
ANS: 'One little nation without resources of any sort named Japan built a capital fleet, while China with its massive amounts of resources, manpower, and facilities haven't managed to build a gunboat.'
It seems legit to me too.
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#5a. Tobi.Reaper Yesterday, 02:04 PM
Can I point this out 5 k Behind newark sation is Not your personal training ground. In fact you 2 Judge lean and senior cadet alpha need to find somewhere else to train AKA /conn.
Your currently sitting on a RP zone you and your OORP actions.
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#5b. Crackpunch Yesterday, 07:15 PM
Yep, just logged in now and saw your boys pew pewing each other behind Newark. Go to conn.
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#5c. Death.RunningVerminator Yesterday, 07:21 PM
Nothing wrong with In-RP training.
ANS: It seems we can do nothing to please anyone. We sit on Newark , we do not sit on Newark. We fly off, we train. We are in a RP zone for OORP actions, this in connection I assume with training. There is a reason we do not go to Conn, and a few moments reflection might bring it to you. We do train in an unused and untraveled sector of empty space and risk harm to no one. We also violate no laws or rules in doing this. Death.RunningVerminator is correct, there is nothing wrong with in RP training.
Jeremy_Hunter Yesterday, 07:27 PM
I do not understand your goals.
Nor your purpose.
Can you explain that in detail?
ANS: Please see me in game. This is more than just a sentence to reply to.
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#6. MÃmir Today, 04:13 AM
My experiences with you guys have been pretty negative. All I ever see you do is hug Newark - except for one time a long time ago you guys ganked my junker bulldog for having 1 unit of Cardamine and being verbally disrespectful towards the law. That happened ~10K out of Newark, and you were 3 ships.
It seems to me that you only ever fight when you outnumber your opponent, when there is no risk of you losing a ship. The rest of the time you sit in front of Newark and spam the local chat.
Sorry, but get away from Newark and fly around Liberty, and you might leave a different impression of yourselves.
ANS: I do not honestly remember 'ganking' anybody anywhere for smuggling or anything else. That is not our way. I also do not recall 'spamming local chat' as we hardly ever even use it. I do think you are perhaps remembering another group.
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Albert Einstein came to the United States in 1933 as Hitler assumed power in Germany. He was a man of peace. Enrico Fermi left Italy in 1933 for Canada and then the US. He was a man of peace. The list goes on. These men came together in a country that had exactly 12 functional tanks total at that time. Together and with the help of many others, they built the atomic bomb and vaulted the US into the position of super power, where it has remained ever since. The point is, a few people in an agricultural third rate power, had a tremendous influence.
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Quite a creative way of looking at history... First of all, I am fairly sure that the US had more than 12 tanks at the time, secondarily what does tanks in any way have to do with construction the atom bomb? Mind you that the Manhattan Project employed more than 130.000 people and cost $2 billion at the time (equivalent to $25.8 billion in 2012 according to wiki). By no means were the US an "agricultural third rate power" at the time, and by no means did the a-bomb in itself "vault the US into a position of super power".
4 guys doing nothing but hugging Newark 24/7 and now requesting a cap ship line makes no sense, no matter how creative you are with your understanding of history and how the real world works. Where did the money and man-power come from? Nobody ever got rich from cypering, you know?
ANS: A short historical review will confirm the 12 tank number, neither here nor there. Had Einstein, or Fermi not come, there would have been no atomic bomb, or at least not an American one. You are correct about the 'third rate agricultural power.' We did not rate even that high. Recall that 30's were the depression. We could not even feed our own people. Japan, Germany and Italy were booming economies in comparison. We would have been fourth rate at best. The 'vaulting' line may have been hyperbole on my part since of course nuclear weapons have nothing to do with being a super power.
We are in fact 12 guys (even gave the names in the post), not 4. We cannot hug Newark 24/7 and still upset the other posters who say we train, or fly in groups, or fight in groups, or go away without advertising our destination. Either they or you are wrong. I thank you for your compliments on my creative understanding of both history and the real world. It would I think astound you to know just how much. Money and manpower come from the Judges and those with whom we are allied.
I think I covered all the points of contention. I thank you for your time
' Wrote:I think I covered all the points of contention. I thank you for your time
Except my questions:(
Even set them out for you to easily answer one by one...
The general tone of the thread is that people have not personally seen you interact a lot with others. I and clearly a few others have only seen you either above Newark (not all claimed AFK) or training with other Judges. They have not seen you do anything else - which does not necessarily mean that you do nothing else - so won't have had an in-game interaction with you.
Maybe everyone who has is too shy to post or hasn't seen this thread yet.
You said Japan had no resources, then you said it had a booming economy. Which is it? Not that it matters; making references to WWII won't get you officialdom.
One of your "members" used Zoner Colony Ships to keep inRP ships from finding a base (which was found eventually) and your pilots constantly sit outside Newark. Doing nothing. No RP, the occasional "Assisting LN" which turns into "Run to newark" a few hundred times over.
And the "ID". Your joking, right? Battleships? Where are they going to be flown? Omicron Delta? Whats the actual reason behind your faction existing? Is it just "Just Cause"? Are you trying to be a Sirius wide cop force enforcing all the rules you can find? Is there some sort of backstory other than "We came together to make sure laws are followed".
Your group has a lot to answer for, and your goals (both long and short term) should be a bit clearer.
Edit: Also, there /are/ no debris fields in coronado. Unless you have figured out a way to make ships out of asteroids and frozen water.
Edit 2: Warships are a big deal. You can't just ask for "Hey, can we have a battleship?" Thats a privilege, not a right. Some official factions didn't have a battleship for months even after they where granted official faction status. Take the SCRA for example. They have cruisers. Their lore and exquisite RP got them a few Battleships from various sources, and they used them as such. The Hellfire Legion had to use a import Spyglass that wasn't theirs, but they made due using RP to acquire different ships. Your group still has a lot to show for themselves, Your not just going to get battleships on a whim, nor official faction status. Asking for all that at once will only deepen the grave and lower your chances to get official faction status.
Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts... perhaps the fear of a loss of power.
While you may have answered some questions and such. The fact still stands that this request does not conform to the rule set forth for official faction creation.
What ID are you using?
Where is the 500m for the admins beer fund?
What tag are you using?
What is your diplomacy with other factions?
Honestly, I am not entirely sure what to make of your faction. When I have seen you in game it has either been one of two things: You guys chatting inRP and ooRP on top of Newark (good/bad) or fighting you when you bothered to help the Navy shot down my merc or pirate (good, wtb moar).
You also need to understand you don't get to be neutral and friendly to everyone in Sirius. The Neutrals of Sirius, the Zoners, fill that void and even they have trouble maintaining their stance. Not only do they have trouble maintaining that neutral approach, but they aren't well liked because of it. The difference between you and the Zoners is you actively shoot people (that the rules allow you to). This will make it extremely difficult to maintain that neutral approach. The Outcasts aren't going to like hearing that you shot down a bunch of Rogue transports ladden with Cardamine. The Bretonian's aren't going to like that you didn't help them shoot the Corsairs in Cambridge. Basically, the only reason the Zoners neutrality works is because they (aren't suppose to) don't irritate anyone else. That is, they don't aggresively shoot other people - makes being neutral impossible.
As I said before, seems like you're a bunch of Zoners who've got the idea that they are the Sirius Police. As for the capital ships? No go. As far as I can tell from speaking with the thinkers on the dev team - they are of the opinion that there are already to many factions with capital ships that shouldn't have them.
The Judges have no role play base for having the ships, they do not have the resources, the manpower, or infrastructure. You can claim you do all you want, doesn't make it so. You're merely 12 individuals in fighters and bombers (gunboat too maybe?). You're a wing sized element at most. Now, while you can claim you're larger you don't have the role play foundation to back it up.
I'll give you an example. OSI. Not a super large faction player wise nor role play wise. In role play the company has 2 to 3 thousand employees max. Player wise we may have 20ish people who call themselves members with less being very active.
The basis for the 2 to 3 thousand claim is simple. Nichols Trade Center hosts 800 of them. The transport captain's and their crews make up another large chunk. The workers who run our factories on the Cornucopia another large chunk. Then there is the staff that run the comapny's headquarters. OSI's role play has evovle over a two (three now I think) year period to this point. You've been around a few months?
You're free to claim you're some super large organization with all the resources in the world. We're free to call you crazy (inRP) for such claims when lore and role play contradict your statements.
My suggestion is to read some of the recently approved official faction requests. Speak with the leaders of the factions in the areas you want to play in (Liberty?). The single largest issue with your request is that you're asking for everything when you've done nothing to justify what you've asked for.
Gander at the pinned topics. They specify that an ID must be specified in the faction's proposal. Proposing an ID is not specifying an ID that already exists. This faction cannot role play in the game without the use of an ID. Thus, they cannot participate on this server without selecting an ID to use.
I do not see where they specified the tag they are using. A Tag is not an image. It is an in game tag. The tag that the admins will use to track the faction's activity. OSI-, OZ-, [TAZ], [LN] are examples.
I do not see a typical listing of this factions diplomatic standings. They mention it, but do not make an effort to thoroughly define it as per the standard diplomatic listing.
I'd advise you to re-read their proposal. They aren't Anti Zoners nor do they shot everyone. They shoot those they feel violated the laws of the area they are in. They won't shoot lawful factions - if they did they'd be going against their stated goals.
Shooting everyone doesn't get you neutral to everyone. It gets you hostile to everyone. I suppose you've heard of the little Liberty faction known as the Xenos, right?
Edit: I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm just trying to explain the short comings of their proposal to them so they can adjust it.
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