House Police and Borderworlds

[Daedric]

LPI shouldn't be in Bering enforcing Liberty's laws there. This is because Liberty doesn't claim Bering as its own. Tau-31 is a different story, Gallia claims Tau-31 as its own - thus making it within role play for the GRP to be there doing their thing while the Navy is south fighting the Brets.

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[Guyton]

LPI shouldn't be in Bering enforcing Liberty's laws there. This is because Liberty doesn't claim Bering as its own. Tau-31 is a different story, Gallia claims Tau-31 as its own - thus making it within role play for the GRP to be there doing their thing while the Navy is south fighting the Brets.

I'm not understanding Gallia has any claim to Tau-31 other than the fact they have a single battleship , something I would consider a foothold. Holding a defensive position acquired during an engagement. Bretonia has an entire planet in the system as well as miners in the asteroid field. Overall if anyone were to claim it would most likely be in Bretonia's favor.

Note: The only thing that even lists Tau-31 is the GRP as a contested system where they assist the GRN. This does not demonstrate any claim. Sounds more like they are reinforcements when needed otherwise they are restricted to Gallia's Core Worlds.

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[Ursus]

LPI shouldn't be in Bering enforcing Liberty's laws there. This is because Liberty doesn't claim Bering as its own.

Liberty owns both sets of tradelanes in Bering, and the ID allows it so irrelevant anyway

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[SummerMcLovin]

[imo]BPA and LPI should not be enforcing house law in Magellan or Cortez, except for ~14k surrounding gates and holes into their space.

Same goes for KSP/LPI in Galileo/Kepler and KSP/RFP in Sigma-13.[/imo]

I would argue same goes for BPA/RFP in Omega-3 and Omega-7 and BPA/KSP in Tau-31 and Tau-29, but I can imagine the massive (albeit invalid) QQ storm that would follow.

There are treaties in place which allow military patrols, although they are to respect the neutrality of the Freeports and interests of other bases in these systems.
As I said, Omega-3 is considered sovereign territory of Bretonia, while Magellan is only a protectorate. We're not going to start patrolling Tau-31 under the nose of the Carcassone though.

I digress, I can see GRP in Tau-31 but enforcing Gallic law is crap on a stick. If there was come kind of Kusari/Gallia/IMG (most importantly including IMG) treaty that set out terms for mutual enforcement of law within the Taus it would be reasonable.

I believe the Gallic policy on IMG's opinion is "Leave your complaints with the captains of our massive fleet above your bases that could wipe you out if they felt like it".

Exactly.
Military should defend house's borders.

Which is all fine and dandy when it's border threats, but since this is a game, people tend to decide that bringing their caps to the core worlds. The military has to be there to meet this threat.

So in other words, I voted Yes and No.

You are likely the first to not vote Yes/Yes or No/No, way to unbalance the votes:P

I'm not understanding Gallia has any claim to Tau-31 other than the fact they have a single battleship , something I would consider a foothold. Holding a defensive position acquired during an engagement. Bretonia has an entire planet in the system as well as miners in the asteroid field. Overall if anyone were to claim it would most likely be in Bretonia's favor.

Note: The only thing that even lists Tau-31 is the GRP as a contested system where they assist the GRN. This does not demonstrate any claim. Sounds more like they are reinforcements when needed otherwise they are restricted to Gallia's Core Worlds.

The claim to Tau-31 is one of the first things they say in their laws.
They might only have the one stationary battleship there, but it represents the Carcassone Battlegroup, which is a considerable group of ships. If Bretonia were to try and reclaim it, they'd be unlikely to win. Even if they did, they'd lost most of their fleet and Gallia would have even less in its way to conquer Bretonia.

Liberty owns both sets of tradelanes in Bering, and the ID allows it so irrelevant anyway

There's no dispute that they are allowed to, but whether it fits the RP. The lanes are owned by the Navy, so military patrols are to be expected (even without the war). Not that there is much trade for the LPI to monitor there anyway.

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[Miaou]

Puv, to say we have not had talks about the Taus between Kusari and IMG is just because you simply haven't been watching the RP happen. There was been a long process with the IMG, still ongoing.

Kusari and Gallia recently signed the Tau Degree stating that Tau-29 will basically be cut in half, and KNF forces can come into Tau-23 to take on pirates or something that might of fled into that system.

But as Summer said, GRP can go into these occupied systems. Rule wise, we can. RP wise, it's claimed territory that Gallia sees as theirs. I would call you a flat face liar if you said someone else controlled or contested Orkney, Lewis or Edinburgh.

And as I said before, we can. It doesn't mean we will, but the truth of it is we have to have something to do and with Gallia disconnected to the rest of space we decided to step up on a military police role for the time being.

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[blubba]

In my opinion, and as a member of the BPA, Police should not be patroling in the Borderworlds. However thay can go in there if they are called in, or are in Hot Pursuit. After all Police can even go to other countries if they are in Hot Pursuit, and they have treaties.

As for enforcing house law, they can if the law was broken in the house.
Of course there are grey areas, with places like O3 and O7, which Bret and RHienland claim as thier own, even though originally they were Border World.

I'd go along with what Hone said.
As for O3 and 7, I'd say they are exactly that. 'Borderworlds'. Possibly even 'disputed territories'.

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[Guyton]

There are treaties in place which allow military patrols, although they are to respect the neutrality of the Freeports and interests of other bases in these systems.
As I said, Omega-3 is considered sovereign territory of Bretonia, while Magellan is only a protectorate. We're not going to start patrolling Tau-31 under the nose of the Carcassone though.
I believe the Gallic policy on IMG's opinion is "Leave your complaints with the captains of our massive fleet above your bases that could wipe you out if they felt like it".
Which is all fine and dandy when it's border threats, but since this is a game, people tend to decide that bringing their caps to the core worlds. The military has to be there to meet this threat.
You are likely the first to not vote Yes/Yes or No/No, way to unbalance the votes:P
The claim to Tau-31 is one of the first things they say in their laws.
They might only have the one stationary battleship there, but it represents the Carcassone Battlegroup, which is a considerable group of ships. If Bretonia were to try and reclaim it, they'd be unlikely to win. Even if they did, they'd lost most of their fleet and Gallia would have even less in its way to conquer Bretonia.
There's no dispute that they are allowed to, but whether it fits the RP. The lanes are owned by the Navy, so military patrols are to be expected (even without the war). Not that there is much trade for the LPI to monitor there anyway.

Well I'm definitely the slow one to miss that piece of material you've just listed there. Agreed, they do have claim in that area. Its still rather odd that is about 3 systems marked as BorderWorlds under the House Law including a system still occupied by a hostile faction.

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[Miaou]

Leeds and Newcastle (Which are actually bretonian systems) are just that. Thing is, Gallia is invading and wants said systems. What better way to do so than already claim it to be theirs?

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[Ivan]

Independant systems are the ones which aren't covered by any House's law and authority, so it's logical there should be no police there. I bet if you met BPA in Omega-49 on your Corsair smuggler full of artifacts, he could do nothing about it.
But hunting down well-known criminals is np, on another hand. I mean the ones which are proven to have commited a crime in House of police in question.

Of course, partially I also agree with statement that only force works in independant worlds.

[Daedric]

The police enforce the laws within the systems the house claims as theirs. Doesn't matter if Joe Blow has an issue with them making a claim on the system or not.

If Liberty lays claim to Bering, it would be perfectly logical for the LPI to roll in and enforce Liberty's laws within the system. If Liberty considers Bering to be their border than the Military or a specialized force (military police? border patrol?) should patrol it as such.


Gallia claims Tau-31. They have stationed a battleship there and they also took the base near the jump gate from the Brets and gave it to a loyalist corporation. They have just as much claim to Tau-31 as Liberty has to Alberta. Bretonia, Dublin.

A system's status as a border world or independent world is totally and fully dependent on the character you're playing. Corsairs see Theta as their space, Zoners see it as theirs. Bretonia sees Omega-3 as theirs, while the IMG and Zoners see it as independent.

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