The GC was flying along the TL until it got killed.. I turned around and saw you to the LEFT of the TL (so not at the place where we parted), I did not see the AFA at that moment => hence I assumed you were not fighting anyone, the fight was "over" and I can cruise to come to you.
If the AFA was indeed still fighting you it might have been against the rules, even though they don't say anything about groups, from the view of my fighter we were not in a fight any longer.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
If you saw me you saw the AFA because he was with me the whole time and I was never far enough away to be off scanners, but even assuming somehow you missed him when you first went back for me you would have seen him when you hit cruise and intercepted us, right?
When you did notice the AFA who was right there with me, you didn't think you might have violated the cruise to catch up rule then?
I guess it brings up another rules question. If a fight goes two directions and you end up 4k or 10 k away from the rest of the fight and kill your target is using cruise to get back to the other part of the fight illegal?
' Wrote:If you saw me you saw the AFA because he was with me the whole time and I was never far enough away to be off scanners, but even assuming somehow you missed him then you would have seen him when you hit cruise and intercepted us, right?
You don't really read what I write...
no I didn't not see him since you were 10k so just on the edge of scanner range. I saw him when I came to you, but I didn't take care where he was the entire time since at least one other ship cruise with me from the dead GC to you.
Quote:When you did notice the AFA who was right there with me, you didn't think you might have violated the cruise to catch up rule then?
If the fight goes two directions is using cruise to get back to the other direction illegal?
That's kind of the problem... as I said I didn't know he was with you and when I came I didn't try to find out where he was the whole time.
From the point of view of my ship there was no fight at that point, since you have "left" the fight by not shooting me, while I have "left" the fight shooting at your buddy.
I can't say who is "leaving to run" in this situation. You can argue it's me since I "run" from you . I can argue it's you since you left our fight with the GC.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
That still leaves a big rules question about these kind of encounters.
If one big fight splits in two directions when one of more pursue a fleeing target, can they afterburner to get back to the other side of the fight legally?
' Wrote:Then you left the fight, leave the system, don't engage that person on any character for 4 hours, and preferably change the character that "fled". Just use engine kill, it saves your thruster a lot more.
If you are CHASING the guy and you hit cruise ... you are NOT fleeing. That's absurd Sovereign and goes to a "literalist" view of the rule. Lets take a look at the "spirit" of the rule shall we? Why was it this rule was created to begin with? That is the scenario we need to concentrate on.
How about we expand the hitting cruise rule ... "if the guy in afterburner continues to thrust out of range of his pursuer's guns and missiles, he is considered fleeing and must leave the system for 4 hours and cannot re-engage for 4 hours." This is more to the point ... he's running away ... he's just loopholing the cruise rule.
The biggest question is how long/far is it considered same fight?
Gun range? Scanner range? System?
Also note that the one part of the fight has "ended".
But the other part of the fight was still going on, so the question isn't just how far/long, it's can you cruise to get back to a part of a fight that you left, when it is still going on.
You left me with the AFA to chase the CG, when you were done shouldn't you have assumed that hitting cruise would be fleeing? I have always been told it was. It was the same fight after all.
Shouldn't you have then asked what the situation was, especially when you saw the AFA and I were still together, like when you left us?
' Wrote:But the other part of the fight was still going on, so the question isn't just how far/long, it's can you cruise to get back to a part of a fight that you left, when it is still going on.
You left me with the AFA to chase the CG, when you were done shouldn't you have assumed that hitting cruise would be fleeing? I have always been told it was. It was the same fight after all.
This is kind of the problem.. you say that I "left" you. I can as well say that I was shooting on the GC all the time (I never stopped firing on him) and you "left" the fight by not staying with us.
Then when I kill the GC and there is nobody around with 10k, how am I still in a fight?
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Alright, let's say player X and player Y are fighting against player A and player B. If player Y cruises, and player B cruises to pursue, player B cannot come back and reengage player X later.
' Wrote:If you are CHASING the guy and you hit cruise ... you are NOT fleeing. That's absurd Sovereign and goes to a "literalist" view of the rule. Lets take a look at the "spirit" of the rule shall we? Why was it this rule was created to begin with? That is the scenario we need to concentrate on.
How about we expand the hitting cruise rule ... "if the guy in afterburner continues to thrust out of range of his pursuer's guns and missiles, he is considered fleeing and must leave the system for 4 hours and cannot re-engage for 4 hours." This is more to the point ... he's running away ... he's just loopholing the cruise rule.
So then in a three against one, you are saying one guy could hang back, then hit cruise when a person is afterburning away legally, even when others on his side are still in range?
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