Removing K'hara infinity cloaks

[Antonio]

This thread was started on a completely invalid argument of a guy sitting afk in Omicrons with 5 nomads in the system including a Marduk, deliberately not moving when hearing the cloaking sound, and then opening fire at the Marduk first as soon as he uncloaked, before even got to do his nomspeak. Of course that at that point there's no time to type anything and the Marduk has to defend himself.

On the topic of infinite cloaks, as @"Snoopy" stated - if nomads could RP while cloaked again (like every other faction in the game) then yeah, I don't mind them being removed. In that case it'd be fair for them to have at least 30 minutes of cloak.

Also, cloak disruptors. They are ridicolously strong at the moment. Having a single one on any capital ship stops any possibility of uncloaking on someone because of the huge range buff (Disrupt range is greater than the cloaking sound range). Even on snubs it's not that bad with spammable cooldown and the mobility to be able to move from spot to spot if you miss a disrupt after you've heard the cloaking sound. Really no excuse, especially in the Omicrons where a cloak disruptor is a mandatory.

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[Sol]

By the way. Have you ever seen two nomads RP between each other?

I realize, all these years, I can not remember a single encounter happening between a nomad and a nomad, having a casual chat with each other. Incredible!

I suppose the mind-share makes it impossible. They'll never get to properly socialize except if they meet humans who mostly want to shoot at them! Poor nomads!

Their way of communicating is by telepathy, the sharing of experiences and thoughts. So 'speaking' for them would be an inefficient way of communication.

Yes, and that doesn't work out for you, does it?

It's cringeworthy. Nomads are constantly in need of carebear attitude. Everyone would have to drop all sense of logic, spoil them and talk to them and hear their ridiculous ***warmth*** stuff, otherwise the nomads wont get to enjoy a thing.

What's worse is that they think they DESERVE this carebear attitude more than others, and they get disappointed when that does not happen. For a faction who are supposed to be the evil guys of Disco, this is weird.

While the rest of the server can easily get that you'll not get a most welcome encounter with your direct enemies most of the time, and they'd also know that they'd have quite peaceful roleplaying with their own kind, the nomads don't. They can't even RP their own kind. They have to RP their direct enemies, and it has to be the way the NOMADs like it.

I do not like this one at all. Infini-cloaks is just one more reflection of this carebear attitude.

What's more, every nomad player out there seems to assume they are the masters of discovery, with their most amazing RP. The truth of the matter is that they live on the goodwill of others, need to be constantly spoiled and treated like royalty babies, and are totally incapable of doing anything themselves.

[The Savage]

I see nothing wrong with infinite K'hara cloaks. I have at least three arguments to point out, since people seem not to realize on why K'hara should have infinite cloaks.

Argument #1 - K'hara have nowhere to land, 99% of factions in game they meet is both their prey and hunter going to chase them. In this case, cloaking to avoid being butchered is very crucial, since there is no place they can land in entire Sirius.

Argument #2 - Nomads are ancient race with way more advanced technology than humans, the latter only recently have learnt to make use of cloaking technology, which is still like comparing a small kitchen knife to a machette - while both being useful, the machette is way more efficient in a jungle.

Argument #3 - Only K'hara, which is official Nomad faction, have access to the infinite cloaks. I see nothing wrong with that, as long as K'hara stays bunch of rather responsible guys. Indie Nomads do not have extensive ZOI or infinite cloak for balance reasons and to avoid abuse.

[Connor]

LOL Sol thank you for the good laugh.

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[Sol]

By the way. Have you ever seen two nomads RP between each other?

I realize, all these years, I can not remember a single encounter happening between a nomad and a nomad, having a casual chat with each other. Incredible!

I suppose the mindshare makes it impossible. They'll never get to properly socialize except if they meet humans who mostly want to shoot at them! Poor nomads!


I agree with your point, but I must say a few times I did have another nomad try to RP with mine, although it was just the standard ***warmth*** greeting and a bit more.

Every time, I felt like I was being sexually harassed.

Well, because you ARE being sexually harassed. Next time that happens, make a run for it.

Your mind links with the other nomad, there's nothing more personal than that. WITHOUT ASKING FOR YOUR PERMISSION! omg

Human couples do quite a lot of things to get to that state.

[Foxglove]

The thing is that Nomads are supposed to be connected by the Mindshare. One wants something and the others know almost instantly. In game, this translates to group chat conversations, which are, yes, in plain English because A) Nomspeak is incredibly time consuming to write compared to normal English and B) there really is no need for Nomspeak between Nomads. It is something that only occurs when communicating with a human because Nomads only have a very basic understanding of how actual words function, being that they are supposed to be telepathic. Between each other, there is no problem comminicating.

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[SnakThree]

The thing is that Nomads are supposed to be connected by the Mindshare. One wants something and the others know almost instantly. In game, this translates to group chat conversations, which are, yes, in plain English because A) Nomspeak is incredibly time consuming to write compared to normal English and B) there really is no need for Nomspeak between Nomads. It is something that only occurs when communicating with a human because Nomads only have a very basic understanding of how actual words function, being that they are supposed to be telepathic. Between each other, there is no problem comminicating.

Is it inRP though?

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[Sol]

The thing is that Nomads are supposed to be connected by the Mindshare. One wants something and the others know almost instantly. In game, this translates to group chat conversations, which are, yes, in plain English because A) Nomspeak is incredibly time consuming to write compared to normal English and B) there really is no need for Nomspeak between Nomads. It is something that only occurs when communicating with a human because Nomads only have a very basic understanding of how actual words function, being that they are supposed to be telepathic. Between each other, there is no problem comminicating.

There really is nothing that's not understood about this part.

What I meant to tell is that your fun needs quite a lot of work, more so than the other kinds of factions. And you are dependent on people who like your kind of talk, which some really do not like. You yourself do not think it's worth to type that thing more than you have to.

Many are not aware of this, and seem to think that the epitome of RPing is at being a nomad. Nomad RP is the most constraining RP of all. Not really a good place for people who love RPing much.

Unless you're lucky enough to meet patient people like me everywhere who'll listen to your warmth stuff despite really finding it totally weird. I say this for the first time. I do it with nomads, but I really do not like it at all. It's a chore. It's annoying. I still have to do it because I feel sorry for you.

[Laz]

There really is nothing that's not understood about this part.

VERY SIMPLE VERSION:
Nomads dont need to 'talk' to each other on their own because inRP they have the mindshare. This enables them to convey messages to each other instantly via telepathy. They cant always do that with Humans cause they dont know Human (English) very well. They find it hard to communicate with it.

Because people basically engage Nomad players and pile up on them, not allowing them to RP.

That is about it. Many of my experiences state this.

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[Gulryz]

I disagree with your idea, K'Hara are meant to be name of fear in hearts of those who fly through Omicrons

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