Idea for hunters

[Jihadjoe]

The sad thing for me about this isn't that edge world bounty hunters use caps. It's that I have lost count of the times I've undocked from malta or crete to be stared at in a kinda funny way by a couple of battlecruisers surrounded by 'kill-snow'. And I have only three or four times seen a bounty hunter in a fighter or bomber out in the lonelycrons.

I find that wildly unrealistic, not to mention massively disrespectful orf my right to fly smaller craft.

That is the experience I was talking from when I made the two previous posts.

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[Jinx]

on a general note ..

forcing players into fighters is as disrespectful as forcing players into capital ships. - so those that say that they are now "forced" to use capital ships and complain about this must not ask other players NOT to use capital ships. - its the same thing - just the other way round.

responsibility is required for both types of ships....

either way - the corsairs WILL get in trouble much much more than the outcasts. - the BHG warfleet is forced to either use alaska as a passage ( in which case the warfleet will have to pass minor ) - or they will have to take the passage through omicron-gamma.

my suggestion about a one way JH to delta was turned down. - so we cannot and must not accuse the capital ships that are *supposed* to fly from dresden to delta for flying into and through omicron-gamma. - it is a necessity, - they are forced to do it.

besides, i have already written some time ago that there is most probably a BHG base in delta. - the whole BHG fleet on FP11 was / is just silly, especially since FP11 uses a generic small station model instead of a large one.

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[Treewyrm]

To the rest of you out there who are moaning and groaning about BH capships coming to your neighborhood, remember that this is what the community wanted as a whole: Capships out of House space and into the Omegas, Omicrons and Sigmas where they belong.

Which is not a solution, it merely puts the problem onto other players instead. What is the problem? Uneducated players who simply buy those ships to purposely seek PvP and nothing else. The problem is not just with bounty hunters excessive amount of capital ships, would be unfair just to label only them, but it also just happens them mostly to be, making most percentage. Factions control their own fleets, balancing usage of ship classes in reasonable amounts. But what happens in turn? Some of them become hostages, and yes, I said hostages in full meaning of this word, to such ragtag fleets assembled of anything big and bigger in absurd quantities, therefore forcing whoever to oppose them to play mass bomber card to compensate the enemy force type. Or simply face annihilation each time they would like to use a reasonably mixed fleets. I for one have no intention of turning the faction into almost exclusively bomber flying group just to have a chance of staying alive given the odds. But it is something you and your actions are trying to make of it, did that thought ever occur you?

@Jinx: It's not about forcing everyone into fighters, bombers or capital ships, but to keep reasonable balance between each one of the classes, to show some decency and responsibility too. Instead of "buy a bs too!" or "bomberwhore me!" type of taunting PMs. Pretty shame it spirals down to that level.

But anyway, the reason here I speak is not really to change this, frankly I have lost any hope for that. Just speaking my mind, so that may be others would know this from various sides. I'm damn too tired of all that.

[Zapp]

Incentive for hunters to be in the border worlds

I always wondered why they're out there... no authority to pay them... well here it is. *shrugs*

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[NonSequitor]

Hmmm...

I may be off the mark when I say this, but part of this conversation reminds me of my experiences on a pvp server. If an impromptu fight started, consisting of parties a, b and c, more than likely someone would begin to grumble about the sides being lopsided - "They have too many LFs" or "Those guys are more experienced pilots than we are" or "Those pilots spam missiles". Et cetera et ad nauseum.

If people are looking for relatively even fights, then they need to plan an event. An event has stipulations on how many people can attend, what factions and with what ship classes. Presto.

Frankly, I don't buy the fact that capship pilots are forcing other players into bombers. Like I wrote in a previous post, I strongly suspect that bombers were quite ubiquitous before more BH started to pilot capships en masse (I don't really buy the "en masse" viewpoint either, but I'm willing to humor people). The presence of BH capships seems to just be a good excuse to continue and increase their use. So no more crocodile tears, folks. You'd fly the things in any case. They're just so darn handy!

@Treewyrm: Define what a "reasonably mixed fleet" is. And a question for you: Would you and your Keepers allow me to withdraw from an engagement? For example, I notice that the field of battle is lopsided against the Keepers and I decided to pull out.

I'm willing to bet that the number of BH caps will shrink in the next mod. They will become sullen and discouraged when 3 angry factions pound on them incessantly. And it will be more difficult to get the required Guard tag, thus eliminating the "lolwutpwnzer" element. We can hope.

To the opinion about the number of BH caps being "wildly unrealistic", I'll say this much: Take the npc fighters into consideration. If you do that, the cap-to-fighter ratio isn't unrealistic.

A quick observation - today in Omicron Delta I saw 1 Corsair Dreadnought (very civil), 2 Keepers (bombers both, I think), a Corsair tagged cruiser. I was piloting a dessie at the time, fixing rep. Oh, I also saw a BH in a ... wait for it... a Manta! I should have wired her some credits. What a plucky gal!

@Zapp: I still unsure as to whether or not a BH Guard can take bounties. I suppose non-Guard BHs could benefit from this Bounty Board, however.

[Treewyrm]

@Treewyrm: Define what a "reasonably mixed fleet" is. And a question for you: Would you and your Keepers allow me to withdraw from an engagement? For example, I notice that the field of battle is lopsided against the Keepers and I decided to pull out.

A reasonable mixed fleet, in my opinion, largely depends on what kind of two or more forces end up in a fight. Not a problem if there is a capital ship or even few of them, I'm not a "all caps must be locked" type of proponent, but I would like to see them being escorted with fighters, bombers, etc. But not 2 BH battlecruisers, one BH battleship, one battlestar, one legate, and then for a bonus add a zoner destroyer and another one cap fully decked up with missiles and nothing else. So for example: a battlecruiser or a battleship plus two gunboats and a few fighters/bombers to them. Two battleships - okay, but not just when it's six-eight-or-more destroyers-to-battleships and zero fighters, zero bombers. Now to answer a second question: yes, you can withdraw from the fight before or in the fight even, roleplay that out (and/or you can use private message too if you want to, though roleplay is preferred method of course), show your intention and very likely a good chance we all will get along with it just fine, unless of course you've been in a fight for all the time and want to safely bail out on a one hull square left.

[blubba]

I have a corsair character and he has encountered many BH incursions into Gamma. A long while ago it was almost exclusively caps. Now, that has changed. There are many incursions of BH bombers and fighters and they have proved from unsuccessful to very successful.
If any of you guys want to see BH in small ships, wait till someone posts another massive bounty on corsairs.
They soon turn up and some of them are bloody good pilots.
From Domino Harvey and Klaww117 and the rest of the [CORE] boys to Messrs Mason and Spencer. I've fought both them and Outcasts and I know who I'd rather go up against.
Hopefully next time, the bounty will be posted somewhere closer to Malta.....


"I've undocked from malta or crete to be stared at in a kinda funny way by a couple of battlecruisers surrounded by 'kill-snow'."


It's not the big ships, it's the base campers...in big ships.

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[Dashiell]

I agree with the above posters. The problem is that the BH is a almost sirius wide faction. it has no real regulation on cap usage and to top it off some people think that they have the right to blow away any pirate when they are a BH.

when these points are solved the problem should (I say it very carefully) disappear.

So how to fix it? my 2 cents:

1. All caps to the borderworld. ecept those who have a good rp reason (event, getting equipment)
no good reason = report em. it`s harsh but the only way to teach those pvp morons that they need to stick to the rules. How often have I floated in N berling orbit only to see a BH BC pop up. when the RM asks him to leave N berlin he asks why... *facepalm*

thats the sort of people that need to be taught, the hard way if need be, that they DO NOT use caps in house space.

2. regulation on cap usage. that s gonna be a difficult one. maybe put the BH cap selling point in a BH guard system. that way people are at least forced to some exstent to get a guard tag.
Or regulate use through S/D or Core... Although I can understand if they do not want that load on their plate.

3. Any hunter who attacks without a proper RP reason should be reported right away. Do this consistently and the pvp whores WILL be discouraged. Maybe that will solve the red=dead additute.
Sigma 13 as you all know is a fine example of how NOT to rp a hunter. I`ve even seen them attack GMG craft... *cries*

4. like I said before: set up a BH base somewhere in the edge worlds. give BH bombers and fighters a haven there as well. Takes the pressure off FP 11 and serves for good rp. besides, it gives the Order, the Corsies and the Outcasts a chance for some payback. Then they can raid the hunter base instead of the other way around.

although it`s always been a mystery to me why hunters would raid a system? it`s not like they want to take over planet Crete or something...?

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[Titan]

1. All caps to the borderworld. ecept those who have a good rp reason (event, getting equipment)

As someone said, that's just transferring your problem onto an another player, it will change nothing and just move them to a new place.

2. regulation on cap usage. that s gonna be a difficult one. maybe put the BH cap selling point in a BH guard system. that way people are at least forced to some exstent to get a guard tag.

In 4.85 you'll need a guard ID to fly capital ships I think, so they'll eventually probably have guard tag's as well.

3. Any hunter who attacks without a proper RP reason should be reported right away. Do this consistently and the pvp whores WILL be discouraged. Maybe that will solve the red=dead additute.

Won't do anything except clog the admins with more work. The punishment for killing someone without a bounty is rather light and they can get right back to doing it, or they can simply get some person to actually post a bounty on the enemy they killed as soon as they kill them and voila, no problem solved again.

4. like I said before: set up a BH base somewhere in the edge worlds. give BH bombers and fighters a haven there as well. Takes the pressure off FP 11 and serves for good rp. besides, it gives the Order, the Corsies and the Outcasts a chance for some payback. Then they can raid the hunter base instead of the other way around.

Again, same as the first answer, and raiding BH bases would just be a disaster given the amount of caps they can field very fast:P

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