' Wrote:They're not allowed. The Purpose of the Ship list to to show -all- the ships.
Constructive criticism, not flame material.
Very well. Then I humbly and "constructively" suggest that your "Ship List" be edited to reflect the ships your Faction will be allowed to fly, rather than every ship ever built in Kusari.
Ethan I think it would benefit you to not tell Vice Admirals of the KNF, men who have served the Emperor and the Shogun very well, to shut their mouths. The Fool has been playing in Kusari for longer than most members here have heard of the game. It would do well for you to remember that you are trying to enter a community, and it is you who need to be respectful of the people and RP that is going on in Kusari.
Now, if you can't use a ship, just take it off your ship list, there is no reason for it to be there, and it leads to confusion. You might have done better with consulting the factions already playing in Kusari instead of thrusting this upon them.
Now a few things you are going to have to remember very clearly if you are going to succeed in Kusari.
1. Admiral Sula is the Shogun of Kusari, leader of ALL military forces and second only to the Emperor.
2. The order tried to move into Kusari recently and was put off, be careful as to how you try to force this on the other factions. If they dont like you, you wont last long.
3. Kusari IS NOT Liberty. The way things work for the LSF or the Order are not the way it will work in Kusari.
4. You WILL NOT threaten KNF or KSP ships no matter where they are.
5. Kusari has no love for outsiders, it is one thing to hunt aliens in Kusari, but the government would never let you operate outside of Kusari, it would be a waste of resources to help others in their protection.
edit: I forgot, also, you can't use multiple tags and id's. Faction rules state all ships in a faction must carry the same id and tag.
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edit: I forgot, also, you can't use multiple tags and id's. Faction rules state all ships in a faction must carry the same id and tag.
If last two pages where of constructive criticism, maybe this argument wouldn't be going.
Now as for the Faction IFF's and ID's I asked this already. Kuraine said it was fine for now. This Document is -Still- in the works, when .85 rolls around the Faction IFF's and ID's will be Kempeitai.
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I'm still trying to figure out how I want to do this faction. The more things I try out in-game the more changes can be made here. I doubt the Rules of the White Dragons are going to be the same in the next day or so, those rules are new as far as I'm concerned.
Also, an Alien Threat is a Threat to -All- of Humanity. Not just the current House the threat is taking place in. Cowering in a corner and watching the Alien threat destroy a House, knowing yours is next, is what your making the Kusari Government like. When in reality the Kusarian Government would help protect and take care of the Alien Threat.
As far as the "Kusari is not Liberty" comment goes. Your right, Kusari isn't Liberty, Kusari is Kusari, the White Dragons Are Like LSF and The Order.
This goes hand in hand with the CIA and SIS. Both are Intelligent Agencies, both are dedicated to protecting their countries interests from outside threats. The CIA is the American Intelligence and the SIS is the British Intelligence, I'm pretty sure if the CIA has a mission target in the UK they would contact the SIS and ask them to help take the target down.
That would be the equivalent of the WD getting reports of an Alien threat in Colorado, We call up LSF, ask if they need help, if they respond back saying "Yes, that'd be great" then we go. If they respond back saying "Nah we have the situation covered." Then we stay. If they don't respond. We still deploy, however, When we get to the border worlds, say near Colorado gate, we call the LSF up again and ask if the need Help once more. If they respond "Yes" or "No" then we either move in, or fall back.
When you said Kusari has no love for "Outsiders", that is wrong. If they had no love for outsiders you wouldn't see many Liberty and Rheinland transports running about in Kusari space, IC wouldn't have a station in New Tokyo. Just like everyone's economy, Kusari is dependent on outside Commerce. What they hate is Foreign Private Militaries (Bounty Hunters/Mercs) coming in and dealing with Kusari's pirate problems. What they hate is Foreign companies coming in and pushing their companies out of business. They don't hate Gaijin Traders, or Gaijin Civilians, they hate them coming in and setting up Businesses within Kusari Space. (IE. Kruger Mining coming in and setting up a mining station in Kusari.)
that may be your take on it, the problem with that is that it shows a total lack of respect for the people who are already here, and have been, developing the rp that we all work under
Zelot is quite right in his latest post. I have, in fact, taken offense to the little amount of research you have done into the factions already in place, such as my favorite faction in Disco, the Artisan Farmer's Alliance. At the moment, Kusari does have little love or tolerance for Outsiders. That is a fact of the RP in place here. The KNF might wave and smile at them, however, there is little done to stop factions such as ourselves to stop them from pirating or anything of that sort, though we respect the KNF and KSP as to not put them into a position where they have to arrest us. Kusari relies on foreign shipping, yes, but there are ways to dissuade foreign shippers from entering core Kusari space. Border stations should serve the purpose of trade hub, like Atika, and Deshima, and that is the goal which my FA is trying to achieve. Saying Kusari doesn't like gaijin around because there are NPCs there is like saying that the Bretonians like Samura because they don't shoot at their NPCs.
Onto the alien threats, you are here to protect Kusari, are you not? It is a waste of resources to protect anywhere else. The point of looking into another house and seeing them under alien attack is to understand what you will have to fight at some point. If they ask for help, go for helping them, but if they don't, don't do it. It's insulting. It's like being in high school and trying to pay for your girlfriend's mother's gas money because you're her boyfriend. It's just plain insulting to the other house to be asked if they need help.
Furthermore, how exactly do you know about the alien threats? Online player list? In RP, you shouldn't. It's not like the houses send detailed reports to each other on what their military or covert operations is doing. You shouldn't know about a Wilde in Frankfurt or Cambridge or a Keeper in New York or Colorado. It's silly to think you would.
On the note of your intended purpose, staying out of the war is fine, but when the war comes directly to you, what are you going to do? If a Privateer is in Kyushu, it is the duty of the KNF to take care of them. Are the Bretonians and Pirates not also harming Kusari when they are within Kusari space? Even more so than aliens that are not, I would say. It is the duty of the KNF, no matter what wing, to dissuade any pirates or Bretonians from entering Kusari space, especially when they think they can control it.
If you want to act more secret-agenty, the not looking into contraband is enough, I think. Also, if you are going to support the artifact trade, I believe that you can give artifact movers the benefit of the doubt and assume they are working for the Hogosha, or give them no mind, just as any other smuggler.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
' Wrote:If last two pages where of constructive criticism, maybe this argument wouldn't be going.
Now as for the Faction IFF's and ID's I asked this already. Kuraine said it was fine for now. This Document is -Still- in the works, when .85 rolls around the Faction IFF's and ID's will be Kempeitai.
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I'm still trying to figure out how I want to do this faction. The more things I try out in-game the more changes can be made here. I doubt the Rules of the White Dragons are going to be the same in the next day or so, those rules are new as far as I'm concerned.
Also, an Alien Threat is a Threat to -All- of Humanity. Not just the current House the threat is taking place in. Cowering in a corner and watching the Alien threat destroy a House, knowing yours is next, is what your making the Kusari Government like. When in reality the Kusarian Government would help protect and take care of the Alien Threat.
As far as the "Kusari is not Liberty" comment goes. Your right, Kusari isn't Liberty, Kusari is Kusari, the White Dragons Are Like LSF and The Order.
This goes hand in hand with the CIA and SIS. Both are Intelligent Agencies, both are dedicated to protecting their countries interests from outside threats. The CIA is the American Intelligence and the SIS is the British Intelligence, I'm pretty sure if the CIA has a mission target in the UK they would contact the SIS and ask them to help take the target down.
That would be the equivalent of the WD getting reports of an Alien threat in Colorado, We call up LSF, ask if they need help, if they respond back saying "Yes, that'd be great" then we go. If they respond back saying "Nah we have the situation covered." Then we stay. If they don't respond. We still deploy, however, When we get to the border worlds, say near Colorado gate, we call the LSF up again and ask if the need Help once more. If they respond "Yes" or "No" then we either move in, or fall back.
When you said Kusari has no love for "Outsiders", that is wrong. If they had no love for outsiders you wouldn't see many Liberty and Rheinland transports running about in Kusari space, IC wouldn't have a station in New Tokyo. Just like everyone's economy, Kusari is dependent on outside Commerce. What they hate is Foreign Private Militaries (Bounty Hunters/Mercs) coming in and dealing with Kusari's pirate problems. What they hate is Foreign companies coming in and pushing their companies out of business. They don't hate Gaijin Traders, or Gaijin Civilians, they hate them coming in and setting up Businesses within Kusari Space. (IE. Kruger Mining coming in and setting up a mining station in Kusari.)
Just so you know, coming in and telling everyone how it's going to be is not going to make you many freinds in Kusar. You need to structure the faction to fit in with what is already going on. We would absolutly never be helping the libertonians against anyone. The Libertonians are close allies with the Bretonians, who if you hadnt noticed we are at war with. Please instead of trying to tell us how it's going to play out, consult with the leaders in Kusari and come up with something that fits into the already established rp.
Technically your "Ship List" should only display ships that you can actually use. It condradicts itself with your "Allowed ships for ranks" if the highest ranking member can get a Gunboat yet you have ships higher than this in your ship list. I think it would be best if you took off the ships you are not going to use. You dont need to state every ship in Kusari; This is your list for which you have the ships that you are going to USE. And from what i've read and know you are not going to be allowed to fly anything above a gunboat, if that.
Just be careful of whos toes you step on: the player factions already in Kusari; I.e. The Fool who is the Vice admiral of KNF.
You are the one who is joining a "Kusari Community" so one would be giving way and writing down notes, Don't you think these people have a little more knowledge about the area and how Kusari Works.
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