Can we get real...

[sindroms]

A storyline reset is, while disruptive, something more 'real'' game developers have done. If you feel that we are left with a spaghetti mess of a storyline, agree to a reset point and nuke the whole thing. Even the most avid DnD sessions have a shelf life.

>but muh character and effort

Yeah, well it is either your character or the playability of the mod.

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[Markam]

I suggested, almost as a joke, that we do the following;

Say, after NL ends with mutual destruction of most of the fleets involved, Gallia, in desperation, holds Leeds at gunpoint and forces Bretonia to backstab Liberty, Council still take over Gallia but Enclave forces Carina to abdicate to save Leeds, and we have a royal union between Gallic royalty A and Bretonia royalty B, and now both join to try to retake Gallia and smash Liberty?

Bretonian players wanted to end the war during the siege of New London by capitulating, and after fighting together with Liberty and putting up with their constant WW2 style "We saved you" that is cliche as hell, they would have rather fought with Gallia to kill Liberty. Doing the retcon after Leeds also allows us to normalize fleet power.

But obviously this is too extreme a retcon, and the current dev team just needs to make most of what we have inherited.

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Markam is evil

[Kauket]

you wake up

the gallic war was just a dream

[Kazinsal]

Five-year jump is always an option, but that means we have to write five years of story for all the factions, and that's not going to win us any favours.

Can't imagine our story team would much like to have to do all that either.

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Retired, permanently.

[Hemlocke]

See, I don't think a retcon that far back is necessary, we do a simple retcon that does not become too overtly complicated, Bretonia still gets smashed to pieces, as the gallics kinda trashed them, the fleet damage is done, the main issue I have with the storyline now is that the story writer (whoever the f*ck that might've been) basically retconned their own work by immediately giving Bretonia it's power back, Retconning any further back than that, would indeed cause conflict with people's player development, to keep it playable as Sindroms says without disgracing player's effort, we simply roll it back to the point where Bretonia is weak and desperate for resources, anything they can get.

I propose the rollback take place after the current event is over for obvious reasons, as the house rolling back while people are flying through it is bizarre at best, a royal cluster at worse.

From that point where Bretonia is weak and desperate, and then just drop the ball to the playerbase and roll with whatever they do, it has a possability of the players over-reaching their power boundaries for hail marry grabs at power, which isn't entirely unrealistic in history either.

OR

Being you have story developers for a reason, as to not take away from their position, you have them come up with several different possible outcomes that fits within the logic of the storyline we've been left with, at bretonia's weakened point, and have the bretonian playerbase vote on what happens so that way, the dev team cannot be blamed, neither the writers, it would be a player driven decision and there's far less likely to be sore asses as a result, except from entirely unreasonable people but unreasonable people who can't negotiate probably shouldn't drive the narrative anyway.

I don't just mean 2 decisions, there's an endless maze of possibility here, go wild with your creativity and see what happens, you're bound to reach a storyline for Bretonia the respective playerbase really likes at some point.

(I suggest to keep the vote pure you get a GM or mod or someone in the respective Bretonian group discord servers to take headcount of who's there, and allow 1 vote per person within those factions, that way if 1 person is in multiple factions, it remains fair as they have a single vote. Official or Unofficial doesn't matter, as long as they have their roots as a bretonian faction, Gaians, Mollys, BMM, Borderworlds Exports, Planetform, BAF, BPA, BIS.) You get the point.

Or just keep it simple and have the whole playerbase vote on it to see what happens, but then you'd get Gallics and liberty bois voting in their self interest which doesn't really reflect the bretonian playerbase, and even if Devtonia left a bad taste in people's mouths, they still deserve to have their vote heard for the house they invested so much time in. But this isn't my mod and i'm but a single person, I can just suggest things and see what happens, I won't pretend to know the best course of action and I could be entirely wrong, I just think the Bretonian playerbase needs a good talking to about what they really want to happen with the current story, cause I can't be the only one, bretonian or not that thinks this is kinda nuts.

[Jayce]

if bretonia doesn't give back every lend-lease battlecruiser, liberty will declare war

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[Hemlocke]

if bretonia doesn't give back every lend-lease battlecruiser, liberty will declare war

if the rollback takes place, Liberty shouldn't expect an immediate payback on it's debt, unless you just wanna be space pirates the house, then I guess go ahead, what they should expect, is being allowed access to their wrecks in bretonian territory to bring their people home, and their big boi ships obviously.

The lend-lease BCRs could be paramount to the survival of the remainder of the house if the rollback is to take place and they end up as weak as the story initially intended.

[Reddy]

retcon ottawa death pl0x

Ottawa's been alive since 2016 :^)

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[Jayce]

if bretonia doesn't give back every lend-lease battlecruiser, liberty will declare war

if the rollback takes place, Liberty shouldn't expect an immediate payback on it's debt, unless you just wanna be space pirates the house, then I guess go ahead, what they should expect, is being allowed access to their wrecks in bretonian territory to bring their people home, and their big boi ships obviously.

The lend-lease BCRs could be paramount to the survival of the remainder of the house if the rollback is to take place and they end up as weak as the story initially intended.

i didn't specify a timeframe

i just want all of them back

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[Markam]

I need a cookie for having read every single wall of text written by Hemlocke, but I am still not sure exactly where Bretonia "got all their power back". And I think this is the result of miscommunication or misunderstanding of what is happening right now in lore.

Story hasn't added any fleets, Exeter, while renamed, is still just an empty planet with a bunch of soldiers on it, and Bretonia is desperately trying to secure the system with one of their few remaining fleets, a plan that is possibly something not worth spending limited resources on.

Leeds remains empty and Aquitaine goes without saying, Aland is, by infocards added into the game in the last patch, seen as a bad shipyard that Bretonia is desperately trying to replace with a new project in Cambridge, which development has purposely made a WIP, as to not just magic in a shipyard.

Bretonia in lore is focused fully on domestic issues, and Exeter is considered domestic as Bretonia has an extreme problem with refugees. Again, Imperial Rheinland had nothing to do with Bretonia, and stuff like arguing with Liberty over gate tech is basically to be expected because Ageira argues with almost everyone. Both are player RP.

Anyway, give us more time to make more sense of everything and make it understandable in-game, if anything, the previous devs were wholly inadequate in the way news and infocards explained what was happening. This is not necessarily intentional, as this stuff takes a lot of work and the old team famously lost developers constantly to interpersonal relationship issues.

Be aware though that its not just Bretonia that has these inconsistency-with-logic issues and we will have to address everything, house by house, faction by faction. Next stop is currently planned for Liberty.

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Markam is evil