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Once again - Kusari
Offline MarvinCZ
09-23-2009, 08:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-23-2009, 09:03 PM by MarvinCZ.)
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' Wrote:And about the quasi-lawfuls, there are rules to that to. I implore you to create an indy FA character and go pirate some traders in front of the KNF or KSP. Yes, they aren't hostile towards one another, and are quite close being as the AFA has helped the KNF in battles, but under no circumstances are they allowed to do anything unlawful in front of or in site of KNF or KSP.
Some time in the past I created an indy KNF. I caught an indy FA pirating. I tried to arrest him and it ended in a fight... An [AFA] that came along was understanding, he realised that if he got caught pirating he deserved a tough handling. When a [KNF] (a rather new one, I admit) appeared, I got told off for shooting an ally - "We're all allies here". When I agree with Markam's assessment on this part, I do so from my own experience. It may not be the spirit of the relationship, but it's how it plays out in the game.

Edit:
Why I think the Kusari is rather empty? There's a group of people who go "Kusari will be the way we want it, and if you think something else, GTFO play elsewhere." When people do just that instead of falling in line, these people are surprised that there are few players in Kusari.
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Offline Quorg
09-23-2009, 09:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-23-2009, 09:08 PM by Quorg.)
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' Wrote:Overdone? You say Generic pirates are overdone? There are a total of TWO generic pirate factions in the entire mod. I dont think Kusari should have any, just that that theme is anything but overdone.

Outcasts, Corsairs, LR, Buccaneers, and the Lane Hackers to some extent.

Not that any of those groups do a poor job, but it is nice to see some variety.

In response to the above post, it's fine to enter Kusari and do your own thing, but don't dictate to the the Hogosha, Farmers, and KNF/KSF how to interact with each other.

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...mongs like Quorg being like a malignant little cancer...

Way to be useless, Quorg.
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Offline RmJ
09-23-2009, 09:22 PM,
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I'm going to have most of my business RP peeps retire to KU space....will that be enough?


And I did host a major RP story in and around KU... (Remembers its now moved to Tau systems) but yeah i'm even going to host a event in KU um its a direct story line battle. So yeah....

*walks away*

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Offline darthbeck
09-23-2009, 09:22 PM,
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kusari needs more activity, which is why i need to rename the ]BD[ bomber i bought from LoM...

' Wrote:<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Violence is Golden</span>
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Offline Unseelie
09-23-2009, 09:35 PM,
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MK are all over Kusari these days. Just...don't shoot us with BS missiles while we're typing, please?

Anyway, I like Kusari. its getting a lot more attention, and might need a slew of lawfuls...but hogosha are good too.

* Unseelie logs on his current MK, as the last one is dead.

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Offline ProwlerPC
09-23-2009, 09:35 PM,
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Well GMG| tries it's best. Myself I am online on a regular enough basis, but aside from trading (and exploring but GMG| knows all of Kusari) we don't go past the tradelane that connects Honshu Planet intersection and the intersection that leads to Sigma-13. For those questioning some of the alliances I should explain that they are vanilla secretive alliances. They won't be found on the ID and rep sheets but withing the in-game lore. Take for example the relationship between GMG and BD. Won't notice anything on the repsheets there are some minor references in ID (can group with..., can't target...etc...) there is, however strong reference in the lore.

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' Wrote:EDIT: And of course, the Aoi Iseijin would definatley help us. Unfortunatley, I believe in order to counter that, we need some sort of lawful group against them... (come on kempeitai, join us!)

GMG| can be of great help concerning the Kusari Wilde known as Aoi Iseijin. GMG is very much familiar with the Wilde and unless the NPCs were removed, still deals with them occasionaly in RP. As a player faction we met Aoi Iseijin as well, more precisely my Guild Master char has. I'm sure we will be defending our systems from their incursions but we are also open to helping both KNF or BD in any offensive strikes outside of our space if asked (on seperate occasions of course). Our GFS is our RP tool to come out of the safety of our clouds and has already served well against OCs, it should serve well against Wilde threats as well. (well it's escorts anyways heheh). Here is a tidbit of evidence to show GMG previous major encounter with Wilde.

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Offline Elsdragon
09-23-2009, 09:37 PM,
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You get caught pirating-you get told to GTFO r die, Just like the other houses. Dun pirate Infront of the Law!


No longer a slave to the man!
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Offline Ayem
09-23-2009, 10:24 PM,
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I play Kenzou.Tenma and I encourage all Artisan Farmers to protest peacefully or pursue their grievances through political means.

Tenma doesn't like Hogosha much either.

But then, he's pretty lawful good.

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Offline ProwlerPC
09-23-2009, 10:33 PM,
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Heheh I met you last night. I was on my Ryuujin and a couple KNF reported having chased a Lane Hacker who slipped into the Sigmas. When I docked at S-19 gate site in Okinawa I switched to my Ensign char. The Hacker never came back as expected but a OC Falcata came to take a shot at me with negative results :laugh:.
There is acticity happening in Kusari. Just last night I had three RP encounters in Kusari. AFA is regularly on, Hogosha are plying their artifact smuggling enough that we have Consortium in our space giving them some risks. Even KNF have been showing up more often in the Core systems as well. Not only last night but on several occasions I've ran into the Imperial Guard wing. Pace may be picking up slowly but it is picking up. I accredit this to the slow realization that trade routes in Kusari are lucrative (GMG routes are great). Patience all, the jewel that is Kusari will shine brightly again.

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Offline reavengitair
09-23-2009, 10:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-23-2009, 10:52 PM by reavengitair.)
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Seems like theres alot going about Kusari and the alliance between the Hogosha, Corsairs, KNF, etc

I'll put in my part.

In my opinion, although the KNF and KSP are not directly allied to the Hogosha/FA, to an outsider, it certainly seems as such. But do not get "not attacking them" mixed up with an actual alliance. An AFA/Hogosha pirating right outside a KNF or KSP is completley and utterly OORP.

Reguarding their internal matters, the FA/Hogosha/gaians/Corsairs and to an extent, Samura, have an incredabily large grip on Kusari. To an extent, they can control most of Kusari's politics due to many of their agents in Kusari. Samura would nearly control Kusari if not for some organisations working against them. Its a miracle that organisations such as the GMG and Kishiro have managed to survive. However, Kusari's only extends to a certain level. Over-doing it is likely to lead to the empire being overthrown.

But an actual "alliance" is a little far. Not saying they are enemies, but still. FA, Hogosha, in fact, they shouldn't be pirating at all, but the FA have an excuse. BUT, it is NEVER try to put the Hogosha and the Famers Alliance into one group. They are two seperate organisations and should be kept thus. I've heard too many people refer to them almost as if they were exactly the same thing.

Firstly, the Hgoosha.

Primarily SMUGGLERS and TRADERS, the Hogosha have never been pirates. Indeed, they do so, in fact, they do so alot. However, it would be OORP for a member of the hogosha to do nothing but sit and fire at a tradelane.

Quote:On the other hand, the Hogosha do not have a free license to operate. Arrests of low-level Hogosha operators who flaunt their activities are frequent and help to keep up appearances with the public -- very important in Kusari. The Hogosha accept these low level losses in order to maintain their core business and ensure that key members of the organisation are never ensnared. "Hard" crime, such as drug smuggling, is not tolerated.

And so the Hogosha CARE about their relationship with the people of Kusari. In fact, their entire organisation is based around it. As said here:

Quote:Individual opinions vary, but most police consider the Hogosha a necessary evil required for the smooth functioning of Kusari society. The government simply treats the Hogosha like any other large keiretsu and the Kusari population as a whole has a similar attitude: It is pointless to like or dislike the Hogosha; they are simply a fact of life. The Hogosha handle Artifact and gun smuggling and the fencing of stolen goods. They also do occasional dirty work for Samura and will engage in limited covert activities with the Corsairs for the benefit of Kusari.

Smuggling is primarily the Hogosha's thing. In fact, the Hogosha could be seen as some kind of civilised "Liberty Rouge" Faction. Actually, scratch that. The Hogosha are very similar to a Kusari version of the Junkers.

I mean, no.1, look at their ships. The Hogosha NPCs use goddamn CSV things, or whatever they are. The Junkers are also more of a smuggling faction. Both are quasi-legal. But you don't see every single junker hammering tradelanes in the middle of no-where blowing up random transports?

The Hogosha should ideally be pirating, no-where near Kusari's core, where their every move could be watched. At least, AWAY from the tradelanes. Ideal places would be kind of... to the edge of Kyushu (where the gate is), edges of Honshu, Shikoku, etc. Not really much in New Tokyo anywhere near the lanes.

And now: The FA.

The Famers Alliance are completley different from the Hogosha, not a pirate or smuggling organisation. In fact, they are:


Quote:The Farmer's Alliance (FA) is a small organization which partakes in terrorist activities in Kusari against foreign companies, most notable of which is Synth Foods.

A Terrorist organisation, BUT, its an incredabily limited terrorist organisaion. I mean, you can't exactly be a terrorist with the KSP/KNF watching you everywhere.

The FA should really hang out around Kyushu, Shikoku and Honshu - however, when hammering down lanes, they should be hidden in clouds. One thing I heavily dislike (looks at certain members of the FA...) are people sitting in New Tokyo, right outside the jumpgate, killing and pirating foreign ships. Despite what some think, the Kusari Empire DOES CARE about these kind of things. The Kusari Empire is not samura, and they do care about their foreign imports-exports. They have signed various contracts and probably include protection of those shipments. They will come after you.

Quote:Rheinland is currently especially friendly with Kusari, due in part to their reliance on Kusarian H-Fuel, as well as their less than stellar view of Liberty.
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Quote:ranging from friendly cooperation with Rheinland to the near total war over the Tau systems with Bretonia

Ok, so blowing up Liberty shipments (NOT to a great extent) is plausible, in New Tokyo. Blowing up Bretonia, erm, well, they are likely to attack you first anyway. But there are overly-hostile attacks against Rheinland, which Kusari and Rheinland have very close relationships. Yes, the FA hate their freaking guts, but try not to do that in the MIDDLE OF NEW TOKYO!?

Overall, I think players on the Quasi-lawful side of Kusari are taking too much for granted, with their piracy etc. The hogosha shouldn't even be hammering lanes in order to pirate. The FA should really, be taking part in SMALL TERRORIST PLOTS against foreign organisations. More of a hit and run thing, not a camp jumpgate thing.

Now what we need are some KNF/KSP to start attacking these people.
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