' Wrote:While we're at the topic of role play excellence, when is the Rheinland military supposed to tell if they're facing a Wild ship and when do we have to play along with the "disguise" RP? After all, we already know of Hans Eckhard's infestation and yet we play along with his disguise because as said before, he does the figure well.
Hans is a special case, the [RM-MND] tag is quite fun, and it allows him to say that he is MND and under covert assignment and do a bit of trickery.
We may RP as being Military, especially across systems. But once we get within scanning distance we expect the IFF/ID/Guns/Agressiveness to teach people that we're Wilde. We may continue to lie, but that's an InRP lying. If someone is treating us like the Military, sometimes we'll go along with it, sometimes not.
If we want true undercover peepz, we create characters that use that IFF/ID, and act as members of that faction. Usually faction characters with the faction leader's oorp consent. It has worked out well so far.
As already mentioned in the RM feedback thread, the times that you (Wilde) could create 'undercover' chars are history - solved in RP.
And what i saw in Frankfurt was at the very edge of powergaming beside the quite unfair fighting style - AGAIN.
WE, that was a group of more than seven players enjoyed roleplay at its best.
And you ruined it. We even tried to rp with your Wilde what would open a very range of opportunity. No, pew, pew.
Oh, i still cannot see any reports, so something is very wrong here.
BTW: Wilde should not show up AFTER the mastermind got killed.;)
' Wrote:As already mentioned in the RM feedback thread, the times that you (Wilde) could create 'undercover' chars are history - solved in RP.
Could you please explain me this point please? Becouse i dont get what are you trying to say
' Wrote:And what i saw in Frankfurt was at the very edge of powergaming beside the quite unfair fighting style - AGAIN.
From this i understand this.... RP= powergaming, unfair= 5( 2 sairs, 2 unioners 1 gb) against 4 ( 1 Wilde, 1 RM, 2 RFP ( mjolnirs!!!)
' Wrote:We even tried to rp with your Wilde what would open a very range of opportunity. No, pew, pew.
Oh.....but you said that our " undercover chars are history", so should i just shoot you becouse im not undercover anymore or should i have a nice chic chat with you? talk about weather food and such?, from that situation i was indeed undercover, nobody there had doubts about me
' Wrote:Oh, i still cannot see any reports, so something is very wrong here.
reports?
' Wrote:BTW: Wilde should not show up AFTER the mastermind got killed.;)
Why?
You know, feedback thread is mainly supposed to give an objective criticism and not to Q.Q becouse you didnt get what you wanted(kills, hugs or whatever). Everything what happened there was inRP.
If you still have doubts about anything what happened there i have the chatlogs saved so i can send them to you so you could remember right what happened 2 days ago.
Oh my....i dont know whether i should laugh or cry, i prefer laughing, becouse you just proved this point:
' Wrote:We are not in school here and there are not always pupils playing this game.
' Wrote:Actually you are powergaming making both RM and The Wilde a joke.
Is this now clear?
Why are you mean?....is there a reason for it? I know you prefer that i should just shoot you without a word, but in that situation i prefered to RP as a normal Rheinwehr soldier:
[15.12.2010 22:04:51] PW-Del.Torro: Hmm that fighter behind us looks odd
[15.12.2010 22:05:04] Max.Ritter: It is? I see only another Wraith.
[15.12.2010 22:05:05] RFP|Obt.Katja:Weirich: One Zoner Carrier crashed into a planet.
[15.12.2010 22:05:07] [RM]Fw.Otto.von.Marck: Herr Zweifel get in ze formation
[15.12.2010 22:05:15] RFP|Obt.Katja:Weirich: Idiots.
[15.12.2010 22:05:21] Zweifel: ***...(observing)-others.....(we)-undercover....identity-remains.....secret....***
[15.12.2010 22:05:31] Vito|Sails: did you hear that?
[15.12.2010 22:05:38] PW-Del.Torro: Huh?
[15.12.2010 22:05:38] Zweifel: jawohl mein herr...at your orders...
[15.12.2010 22:06:01] Zweifel: seems...we have to get rid of some...garbage....
[15.12.2010 22:06:15] [RM]Fw.Otto.von.Marck: Ja we have
' Wrote:You do not show up with a Wilde char and order around your RM pal, busting an existing RP just for shootist reasons.
I can and I will if I think its right. I didnt give any order to shoot, i just made the people to see that its the only way. My reasons were simple....doing as much damage i could on both sides, many lawfuls died and you too. For this purpose i used exactly the wilde RP to infiltrate into the ranks. Of course they could go like: " wilde leave system" , but they didnt and prefered to RP with me in that way. Look, what did they see? A wraith what answered the distress call for backup.
' Wrote:Is that clear enough now?
Really Really Really....please stop Q.Qing that your gb was destroyed. Try to say things of more importance.
This little clash of factions got a lot of commotion, didn't it? Well let me give out my side of the story and my views on things...
Me and Max Ritter were in Frankfurt with our Unioners. Everything was normal, we were planing to run some piracy and all. So after getting some heat on the lane that's under the Sigma-13 one we decided to move north or up to the Sigma-13 one.
That's where we found the Corsairs. If memory serves me right it was one indie Gunboat and two Sails plus a RFP| mjolnir (did I spell that right?). And the RP pretty much started. Everything was relatively good and slowly the lawful side began gathering reinforcements as we waited for the scales to even up.
Then the Wilde showed up. Now I personally don't like yelling "WILDE" the moment I see the IFF, but yes it was noticeable that the ship wasn't a normal Wraith. Why? Let's see... Shield was nomad, guns were partially nomad, thruster was nomad. So overall if we follow RP that's a big screen of errors when scanning, at least that's how I role play it. Oh and I almost forgot it had a nomad sphere in the hold. Y'know that thing that Wilde uses in O-52 to power up the alien gate.
But considering I never had the time to RP the fact I noticed the wilde equipment the RM just got him on their side. Now that was the moment when things were ready to burst into one big fur ball. From my count it was...
Diana Ritter(Me), Max Ritter, 2 sails titans and a corsair gunboat versus 2 mjolnirs, 2 RM wraiths, one of which was [RM] and the Wilde in question.
By my count that's 5 versus 5. And here's the possible reason why the corsairs were raging - the gunboat was about to just watch, but sadly that never happened, due to the GB being priority target.
After that it was all pew-ta-pew with lots of bright lights.
I reserve the right to jump in the discussion, since i was one of the two unioners.
First of all, i consider the roleplay of the Wilde in the situation correct. The fact he has a wilde id and iff doesn't means you have always to scream "KILL THE WILDE", or other methods like writing, and i am quoting it,
Quote:[15.12.2010 22:04:51] PW-Del.Torro: Hmm that fighter behind us looks odd
The wilde did not ruin our roleplay at all, he did follows what a Wilde CAN do, using misdirection tactics to make us fight. The fact he did fight too was just another way to make his tactic works.
Your argouments, all of them, looks like a continue stream of Q_Qing dictated by the fact that your gb was the first target to get killed (And i agree on that, fighting the GB first at full force is the best reasonable tactic to apply there).
I do hope you will be able to think about what you wrote here, because it has no sense. Hopefully my point of view, that was on the same side of you, will make you notice it.
' Wrote:Actually you are powergaming making both RM and The Wilde a joke.
Is this now clear?
You do not show up with a Wilde char and order around your RM pal, busting an existing RP just for shootist reasons.
Is that clear enough now?
Powergaming = I kill your char without asking you; I make your character a drug addict without asking you...
From what I see here the RM player didnt have a problem with being 'used', otherwise he could just have looked at his scanners realizing the weapons and shoot the wild, or just turn the music louder so that he cant hear the little voice in his head or using any other reason to ignore the wild/shoot him. He didnt so he wanted to let this situation happen as it happened.
So I cant really understand your trouble with this situation, both acted perfectly inRP.
I can understand that you dont like the fact that your talking was disrupted by this, but thats what happens sometimes. Not everything can go on like its planned. And thats in my eyes the challenge here, to act and react according to the things that happen. But maybe you should just think about the whole situation again, let it rest a bit and then, well think about what you could do better or different next time, so that it still stays enjoyable for you?