Order - Hogosha?

[Vladimir]

Order-hogosha and order-corsair relations don't make sense. Corsairs flying Osirises hurt my eyes. Seriously, some things should be fixed.

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[ophidian]

Fix? Yes. FR5 with meta? No.

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[Hawk]

*sigh*

Please go back and read the entire thread. The F8 information had nothing whatsoever to do with the FR5. That issue has already been discussed and put to rest. I'm sorry it appeared that way in the sanction thread. I will be more careful in the future with my reports to make sure there is no misunderstanding.

Please contact me privately or in RP if you want to talk about Junker / Order RP. I'm happy to discuss any of it with you.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

@Hawk

Hey, I said I was sorry about my resh firing in the NFZ! (Ghost.Of.Black.Icarus)

And give Hawk a break, he has to work hard to keep dozens of peopled happy or the Junkers are screwed.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[ophidian]

I'd like to say one more things here in defense of the admin team. When I submit an FR5, I have to submit role play evidence with it. In this case I used the report sent to the Junkers in which another pilot saw the guys docking. The person who reported the incident to me mentioned the Hogosha/Order alliance because he read it on the infocard at the time. The admins can't be expected to know all the changing role play between every faction. I'm sure he just made a quick comment on the FR5 based on the evidence submitted to him. Give him a break, they work awfully hard so you guys can play this game.

This is why I refused your statement. It is not because of trolling but simply because if this is applied then there is favorism against Order as people constantly talk about meta stuff here and there about their faction over these forums for years. So shall we if this is the case. Nothing personal and don't get it wrong.

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[Vladimir]

So i've read the thread carefully and for some reason the ultimate argument didn't work. I mean, yeah, Order is at war with Liberty and you don't let them dock because of that... Why the hell do you let rogues, lane hackers, etc. etc. dock there?

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[Tommeh]

Hmm, so FR 5 which was based on Order/Hogosha alliance isn't actually FR 5 based on that alliance.
But as main RP proof metagaming thread was used with display of infocard which can not be used inrp.
But FR 5 still remains although main proof is fairly beaten and shown invalid.

Now, I am bit confused, inRP there is no way for Junkers to know about any relation of Order and Hogosha.
You said that everyone who don't bring or cause trouble to Junkers are welcome on their stations.
Please show me one proof then where did Order caused any kind of problems to you with Liberty Navy or anyone else, in what way do Order ships exactly cause any problems to Junkers? Cause I did not see single thread about it, nor I seen single warning of Junkers towards Order about docking on your stations, not once you stated inRP that Order is not welcome, and now suddenly FR 5 is applied.

I would value RP thread towards Order High Command much more, nice warning about Hunter's cruiser docking there, what issues does it cause to you, what do you expect from us and similar things, yet not single RP line was directed towards Order concerning this matter, I can not keep eye on every Order ship and where he is docking.

And now you say that you would like to see some Order/Junker RP, although you did not bothered yourself at all to even try it. But nevermind now, we will handle it inRP, although there was not actual RP explanation why is Order| Captain not allowed to dock anymore, I would like to see this one first, since sanction threads can not be taken as vaild inRP statements.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

Please stop, Hawk gets the picture. No offence meant, intended or wanted.

Lets just open some RP dialogue between the Order and Junkers, and then we all can be happy.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Daedric]

The admins can't be expected to know all the changing role play between every faction.

Actually, if they can't be expected to keep up with the role play, they can't be expected to issue FR5s then; as FR5s depend on role play evidence. There are a handful of them for a reason, they stir FR5s between the group so people can drop their own knowledge upon it. I don't expect each one to keep up with the role play. As a group though, its likely they can.

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[Hawk]

Hmm, so FR 5 which was based on Order/Hogosha alliance isn't actually FR 5 based on that alliance.
But as main RP proof metagaming thread was used with display of infocard which can not be used inrp.
But FR 5 still remains although main proof is fairly beaten and shown invalid.
Now, I am bit confused, inRP there is no way for Junkers to know about any relation of Order and Hogosha.

Metagaming thread was used? I'm getting tired of that word being thrown around. The reason that thread was used is because it showed that he docked at a Junker base. I don't know how many times I've said it and how many more times I'll have to say it......the Hogosha had nothing to do with this. No, the Junkers don't know about their relations with you and we don't care. What we do know all too well is that you are at war with Liberty.

You said that everyone who don't bring or cause trouble to Junkers are welcome on their stations.
Please show me one proof then where did Order caused any kind of problems to you with Liberty Navy or anyone else, in what way do Order ships exactly cause any problems to Junkers?

You don't see how this causes us trouble? Are you serious? The fleet admiral of the Liberty navy has threatened to cancel the docking rights for the entire Junker faction throughout all of Liberty if we get caught harboring the enemies of Liberty on our bases in Liberty and you don't see how that can cause us a problem?

I'm more than willing to discuss this with you. It's not a new policy. There have been multiple posts that we don't like military vessels docking at our bases......Especially when they are at war with the house in which the base is located. We have been turning Order ships away from our bases for quite some time. This is not a new policy and I don't know why it's creating such a stir now. That being said, I'm still willing to talk to you about the use of our base. What would have been a great courtesy on your part is to speak to me first. If your people were coming into a house with which you are at war, don't you think it would have been nice to speak to me before your people dock on our bases within that house?

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