Make Gallia appealing

[Kal-el]

I think he meant elitism in the context of RP'ers better than lolwuts and not wanting them around.

I believe the point of view as to whether Gallia is empty/dead is based upon when people are on to play. However, with that said Gallia is mostly empty. At least when I am on. I also would not say that a couple of people passing through does not make it not empy either.

For people who keep saying that Gallia needs to go away is pointless. Saying that there are too many systems is also pointless. Why? Because Gallia is not going away nor will there ever be a system reduction.

You want people to go to systems you need to give them a reason. That reason is trade. How many people go to Yukon, Quebec, New Hampshire, Inverness, Chester, Newcastle, Hokkaido, etc to RP? I would say none. So you see, most people go to systems because they have a need for being there. They simply do not go for RP purposes and if they do more than likely it was already set up.

I have a trader that has been to 300+ bases and almost every system I can and the last time I checked most of the best routes from and to Gallia always lead to Liberty. The top 10 sale points for almost every commodity out of Gallia, the majority lead you to Liberty. There are some that lead to Bretonia and Kusari but the majority lead to Liberty. That is bad. It should have been spread out and evenly distributed.

I have said many times over many threads the you CANNOT spend RP. You can use it to possibly grease skids with a faction to possibly get something later on, but you still have to pay for that ship or weapons with credits don't you? You still have to pay for that RP contract to deliver commodity X with credits right?

The best route out of Gallia and to Gallia is the Holo Tainment bands from Alesia to St. Paul Base and then from there you have to haul contraband to Planet Erie so you can haul neon back to Alesia. The total credits on a 5k is about 30 million for approximately a 1 hr and 10 min haul. Alesia to St. Paul is 40 min, but if you go to planet Erie it is 30 minutes roughly. Now, why would I do that run if I can make 28 million on a 50 minute run? Gallia is to far. The runs should be worth more or people will continue to make the shorter runs for the same amount.

Everything is to be balanced, but I ask you, is it logical to make the same amount of credits for a trip that can be 20 minutes longer than the next best shorter route? And to top it off, have to run it through what is coming in .86? If you are a trader hauling through the Taus in .86 you are going to have your work cut out for you.

I am trying to apply common sense and reason, but I may be wrong about everything, but I will not lose any sleep over whether anything is changed or not.

[Shagohad]

What needs to be done is remove the hostility of areas. Gallia is separate even within its own borders. Champagne and Languedoc complicate things. They break the flow of Gallic trade. So when some royalist trader wants to get into/out of Gallia, they have to go through Separatist systems. What's the appeal of trading with a house that you can't even get to without being molested by the Maquis and Brigands? Especially when their NPC's can harm you.

Yes, Gallia is in dire need of buffs, yes Gallia needs activity, and yes Gallia could have been handled better. But it's here. It's not going away.

This thread is not about "GALLIA GO AWAY", this is "Gallia, how can we make you better?"

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[Tenshu]

Too many arguments on an unfinished house.
I say wait till 4.86, let it roll for a few months then
bring up whether it's necessary or not.

Since this mod is not so much about the players as the
story that Igiss is trying to pitch.
I'm not saying no one cares for the players, but it runs
on the lore that is set than what the little guy says.

That aside...Gallia is a deathtrap which I avoid. Rephacking
on my Sirian characters to be neutral to all Gallic NPCs is against
roleplay and unrealistic in Gallic space. A Sirian shouldn't
be ignored by Gallic patrols or otherwise imo. If the rewards were
more enticing then I may consider the risk worth the reward but
last time I tried that I spent more time dodging hostile elements
than actually making credits. On the RP side, it's a unanimous hate/
engaging attitude to non-Gallics there, in my experience anyway.
Which sorta limits interaction to the point where I cant help but look
at Gallia and say "Do Not Want"
No offense to the Gallic players or devs out there, it's just my own
experience with it so far.

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[jimmy Patterson]

lose the whole"IMA COME FROM NOWERE AND STEAMROLL YOU" mentality ad fix the problem,slowly build up the war that suprisingly turns alotta people off for galia to just go"BOOM YOUR DEAD NAO"


if you dont wanna take the time to devlop a new mod do it via updates to 4.86 or something

because franky galias introduction has a feel of powergaming to it.

thats also why i avoid it


as for the kusari thing f dont remove it but tone downthe xenophobiea face it majority of people dont know asian culture so wil lbe foregineres


so idk insted of 11 on the dial try a 8 or 9

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[SMGSterlin]

Yee, buff in-gallia trading, but not with prices, make more routes available with the same profit as others.

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[Shagohad]

lose the whole"IMA COME FROM NOWERE AND STEAMROLL YOU" mentality ad fix the problem,slowly build up the war that suprisingly turns alotta people off for galia to just go"BOOM YOUR DEAD NAO"
if you dont wanna take the time to devlop a new mod do it via updates to 4.86 or something

because franky galias introduction has a feel of powergaming to it.

thats also why i avoid it
as for the kusari thing f dont remove it but tone downthe xenophobiea face it majority of people dont know asian culture so wil lbe foregineres
so idk insted of 11 on the dial try a 8 or 9

[8/19/2011 5:25:55 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): The basis of it?
[8/19/2011 5:25:58 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): They're French?
[8/19/2011 5:25:59 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): So what.
[8/19/2011 5:26:03 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): They have a bigger fleet?
[8/19/2011 5:26:05 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): Big deal.
[8/19/2011 5:26:27 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): Don't think that we of the Gallic high command have something to prove.
[8/19/2011 5:26:33 PM | Edited 5:26:39 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): We just have a reputation to live up to.
[8/19/2011 5:26:45 PM] Jacob Antis (Shagohad/Palsy Pilot): And we're not doing that very well.

We're only working with what the devs give us. It's our Roleplay. We have to work it out that way.

We of the players DO NOT control Gallia. We have a script. We have a plot. Only a few minor changes and twists have been added to make the faction more active.

It amazes me that you guys say, "It's absurd that the faction is powerful." But it's not absurd that the Taus wage apocalyptic battle? It's not absurd that the Red Hessians, Corsairs, and Outcasts have developed battleships over the course of seventeen years?

Want a reference? The Helghast. Are the Helghast absurd? Awaiting their time to strike back at those who betrayed and screwed them over? They show the Helghast as the enemy, but who wouldn't be pissed when you're tricked into slavery and forced to mine toxic substances on a hellish world. And then you learn Helghast society is not that bad. They're normal people. Militant, but they have a goal.

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[Veyron]

Make Gallia more appealing?

Challenge Accepted!

Oh wait, I already have

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[jimmy Patterson]

in allhonesty the ewntire "unstopable force" is really poor roleplay and a real big tunoff in my eyes and a fair few others as well it just reeks of blantant powerplaying thuss a doublestandard because last i checked powergaming was frowned upon and outright discoruaged


i see a galic char i log sorry if it offends anybody


/unsubscribes

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[Shagohad]

in allhonesty the ewntire "unstopable force" is really poor roleplay and a real big tunoff in my eyes and a fair few others as well it just reeks of blantant powerplaying thuss a doublestandard because last i checked powergaming was frowned upon and outright discoruaged
i see a galic char i log sorry if it offends anybody
/unsubscribes

It's not powergaming if you have the divine right of the development team. What about Kusari curbstomping Bretonia? Are all houses supposed to be balanced? Equal strength? Gain a mile, then lose it? Are you happy with border disputes and trench warfare? I'm not. And if it takes some beefy French kid to pound the snot out of the other kids on the block to make this game all the more interesting, then I'm okay with it.

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"THE HULL HAS BEEN BREACHED AND THE SCIENCE IS LEAKING OUT!"

[jimmy Patterson]

final reply to this thread

sue me for being a realist

if you thinkan unstopable unbeatable rape force is fun then so be it i dont and i know for a fact theres others that feel the same way as well

keep it fun let both sides give and take

and again
sue me for being a realist i applogize if said realist views offend anybody

but ive said mypeace and i stand by what i said


ii see a galic player i log because again it seems like "zomg were here now and can suddnely rape you all inside a year" sis powergameing and a double standard


as for the bret kusari war-

that has gone back and forth alot thuss remains fun and as such voids the point you tried to make with mentioing that war


galia should of been gradually introduced storyline and all

/ leaves thread not bothering to return

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