Discovery is an attempt to make a mod that will not spoil the Freelancer universe with unneeded or illogical changes, but rather retain the atmosphere and balance of original game and add several nice features to make game play more interesting - capital ship encounters, enhanced NPC AI, almost all original Freelancer ships flyable (capships, transports, etc.), rebalanced ship prices and more.
Yeah... that's what the mod was meant to do. That's why I downloaded it in the first place. I hated the other mods for adding new ships, systems, and weapons. It completely ruined the balance.
I was actually thinking of talking to Igiss about removing the new ships and weapons. Though, it's not going to happen until the majority of the players here agree with me. I don't know about you guys, but I consider brand new ships & weapons both unecessary, and illogical.
To put it simply, all I wanted was an FL server with the capital ships unlocked. This new Discovery just isn'y my cup of tea anymore. Bleh.
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I say we toss Denier out. I didn't put all those hours into those systems i made for nothing :angry:. Now I agree the Marsflyer shouldn't be here. I've said as much before. We need to stick to purely FL systems and FL-like ships. Marsflyer doesn't fit in. Slipstream doesn't really either. Plus most new ships don't have wire frames making them almost uneffected by cannonball missiles where every single fighter other than the Titan blows up when hit by one cannonball missile. I say only incorporate ships that look like they belong.
And Denier don't go Evo. Their new systems aren't well made and there are major issues with them. One of the systems trade lanes didn't even make sound. I think the guy made them fixed the coding and then didn't test. As most don't have normal NPC activity. Its really empty in one area but too heavily populated by NPCs in another. Plus the Florida system was just completely empty except for trade lanes, a sun, a planet, and bases. The area around the planet didn't even have traders anywhere. I could take that system and improve it to twice as good as it is now over night.
Dab,Feb 20 2006, 10:40 PM Wrote:I say we toss Denier out. I didn't put all those hours into those systems i made for nothing :angry:.
Dab, you really need to be more careful what you say.
I spent an enormous number of hours keeping the server up, and on top of that, trying to get the new ships ready to roll as well as doing bug fixes, whatever.
Do i complain? no. Do i say stuff like that? hell no.
Courtesy, bud. Courtesy and respect. Denier has a right to his own opinions and we have no right to toss him out for just that. I for one, welcome any and all criticism about anything.
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Quote:I was actually thinking of talking to Igiss about removing the new ships and weapons. Though, it's not going to happen until the majority of the players here agree with me. I don't know about you guys, but I consider brand new ships & weapons both unecessary, and illogical.
To put it simply, all I wanted was an FL server with the capital ships unlocked. This new Discovery just isn'y my cup of tea anymore. Bleh.
Ok, I'll try to answer. First of all, we've already talked about 'new Discovery' some time before, and as you did not like what was done to the mod, I was much surprised when you decided to return. Now you say that Discovery isn't your cup of tea. Sounds strange, but, well, that's your choice.
I agree that some of the new ships don't fit right in. But - not many, and majority of ships are still FL-like. As for Homeworld ships, generally people here agreed that they should be in Discovery, and I agree that those ships are probably the best for Freelancer universe.
Dab I don't remember you complaining much about Marsflyer and Slipstream. Anyway, Slipstream will be much weaker in the next version, and I think that not many people will fly that ship; as for Marsflyer, it will remain an expensive exotic, not performing much better than any ordinary VHF. The latter ship just looks and sounds very cool. I personally like to use it for testing, for example. Even if it doesn't match the universe - well, why not just let it be? Evolution ships that were mentioned in this thread - well, they don't allow to use them in other mods, so if you like them that much, better go and play on their servers, what more can I say.
And remember that NPCs don't use any of the new ships, so you won't see many of them around at any time. But players may need some diversity. I'm even adding a few more 'black' Slipstream-type ships, for they might be of good use for Phantoms and other Phantom-like factions.
Dab: Calm down, kid. Igiss isn't going to remove the new content just because I said so.
Igiss: Yeah, it's impossible to go back, now that everyone has bought the new ships and weapons. Besides, you guys have worked so had on the mod, even suggesting such a thing would be very selfish.
I was thinking of downloading the older version and getting someone to host it. I don't know where to begin, though. =/
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Dab, don't you think that if we toss Denier out - for disagreeing, you should go next for all your own disagreeing and arguing over time?
I bet if we said that to you, and were about to do it to you, it would suddenly become unfair, and unjust...
Either way, you can't just get rid of people who disagree with you, maybe once he's played the new discovery he'll warm up to it, I'll admit it now, I'm not keen on the new systems this time, but I'll still play, and if I dislike them, then I'll stay out won't I. As for the slipstream, I think it looked perfectly freelancer, It looks like a publicly produced dagger, maybe a hacker's attempt at marketing ships to rich people...?
Quote:I was thinking of downloading the older version and getting someone to host it.
I may release a version where new content is partly blocked or removed. Question is what exactly you don't like...
1) New systems - well, I hope they are good. At least Delta looks like Freelancer (again, I hope that it does). As for new systems for 4.79, I'll try to make sure they fit right in, although I didn't design them.
2) New ships. There are several groups - modded originals (they are no problem), Homeworld (Huegenot and Greyhound) and some other extra ships (like Slipstream and a number of others, including Marsflyer).
3) New weapons. Chainguns are the only brand new ones, and I think we've done good job balancing them... other new weapons are mostly based on existing ones.
4) New equipment. Scanners, tractor beams and armor upgrades.
No, no one is going to remove new content unless everyone here wants a player wipe.
Well. Most of the new ship fit well in FL.
look at the RH bomber... i bet that if you show that ship to a player that has never played FL before, he will never guess that this ship is not original from FL.
As for the slipstream. It looks like a strained Eagle... A high speed variant of the eagle hull. That is another ship which looks convinving.
The huegenot does not fit. Its design looks alien to FL, but if people wants it in the mod, so be it.
The marsflier looks alien too. But it is a nice ship. Adding 1 or 2 ships non-fl styled wont ruin the mod. In fact, marsflier adds some more exitement to the mod, It breaks the monotony of seeing all similar ships.
So, adding new stuff to the mod is fine as long as it doesnt unbalance the game. But having some non-conventional stuff is ok too, because it breaks the monotony of the mod, so people dont get bored of seeing all the same all the time...
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Denier-of-Soup,Feb 21 2006, 06:32 AM Wrote:That doesn't prove anything either... unless she posts a picture of herself holding a piece of paper with "Discovery GC" written on it.
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